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  355. Kev Emus: Sure.
  356. emus Thanks!
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  583. moparisthebest Tigase on top of things, fixed their _xmppconnect usage already
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  588. Wojtek well, not exactly - we ran into some obstacles that needs more polishing but yeah, _xmppconnect will be gone
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  751. moparisthebest Prosody and ejabberd have updated their docs removing suggestions of _xmppconnect
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  822. Link Mauve Would it make sense to extend MUC to advertise the last time it has seen a given participant?
  823. Link Mauve I was thinking about doing so for members-only MUCs, where clients are starting to display members instead of participants.
  824. Link Mauve But if someone hasn’t been seen in days/weeks/months, it might make sense to warn other participants, or something.
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  837. moparisthebest mellium is fixed https://mellium.im/cve/cve-2022-24968/
  838. Sam Yup, big 🤦 on that one (since ours wasn't a default tls library thing, I explicitly set the server name and still set it to the wrong host), thanks for the report.
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  844. moparisthebest so you're still using _xmppconnect, just in a secure but less-compatible way
  845. moparisthebest no problem there as long as your fallback-to-next-method code is solid :)
  846. moparisthebest hmm wait Sam don't you also get websocket endpoints with json+host-meta ? those you'd want to validate against the other hostname
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  848. Sam Yah, this was just the quickest way to fix the issue and was what was intended originally I suspect anyways. Nobody is using this code, so now that the quick fix is out we can work on just stripping out the txt stuff
  849. moparisthebest (not a *security* problem, just a, likely to not successfully connect to valid websocket endpoints problem)
  850. moparisthebest fair
  851. Sam Hmm, could be, I thought I did this the right way (TXT record changes only) but this code isn't well tested
  852. Sam Oh I see, yah, this is probably still wrong, but "not working" == "secure" so whatever, still patched!
  853. Sam If we obsolete XEP-0156 is the bosh lookup web host metadata documented anywhere? I know you mentioned that the WebSocket one is duplicated in the RFC, but would we also be deprecating BOSH lookup entirely?
  854. Zash ProtoXEP-XXXX: XEP-0156: The Good Parts
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  856. moparisthebest yea, both you and Sonny (in the PR) mentioned that, I think that's ok too
  857. moparisthebest slapping obsolete and some warnings on it was the quickest thing I could do so late in my evening :)
  858. Link Mauve Speaking of which, https://github.com/iNPUTmice/caas/pull/111 might help some server admins not being stupid.
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  860. moparisthebest yes, even the RFC states https-only
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  862. moparisthebest Daniel, merge plz ^ :D
  863. Zash Wait what
  864. Sam I'd be very curious how many of the servers being tested are actually doing that
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  866. Link Mauve Let’s see how many drop afterwards.
  867. Link Mauve I’d be interested to know why this check fails on JabberFR, despite our web clients working properly.
  868. moparisthebest are they using _xmppconnect ? :/
  869. Link Mauve A web client can’t.
  870. moparisthebest https://github.com/xmppjs/xmpp.js/issues/933 begs to differ
  871. Link Mauve Wat, how?
  872. moparisthebest tigase's web client does too, and https://github.com/poVoq/converse_wp/issues/2
  873. Zash node.js ?
  874. Link Mauve Ah yeah, that’s for node.
  875. Zash or DoH?
  876. Link Mauve You had me worried for a minute.
  877. Link Mauve moparisthebest, that’s PHP, also irrelevant.
  878. moparisthebest well, my point is a web client can have a server-side component do DNS lookups for them, and that's a thing that happens
  879. moparisthebest don't know if *your* web client does, but...
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  881. Link Mauve Why would you do such a thing? D:
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  883. moparisthebest cross-domain problems ?
  884. moparisthebest though I guess those would usually forbid the websocket too so, idk
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  886. Zash aaaaaaaactually, websockets are backwards so they work by default
  887. Zash because CORS wasn't complicated enough
  888. moparisthebest ah ok, makes sense
  889. moparisthebest crawls back in my non-web hole
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  893. Sam huh, I don't know if this code was ever working. The URLs it checks for the host meta stuff don't appear to have a scheme.
  894. moparisthebest Sam, I still never figured out why I couldn't find the string "xmppconnect" in your mellium codebase, then I gave up :D
  895. Sam Yah, that too. I swear I'd tested this with the host-meta stuff at least though. Oh well, no idea, it all needs to be rewritten probably.
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  897. Sam I did a big refactor of this a while back, maybe I broke it then.
  898. moparisthebest speaking of, I ended up writing those full integration tests we talked of a few weeks back https://github.com/moparisthebest/xmpp-proxy/tree/master/integration
  899. moparisthebest each folder has configs for bind9, a few prosody's, and a few xmpp-proxy's, and the bash script starts a podman network and all the containers and runs scansion through them, works surprisingly well
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  902. Sam oh nice, I'll have to look through this. One of the problems with this websocket package is that, even though it has integration tests, I can't do anything with DNS so maybe this is something I should have looked into doing
  903. moparisthebest yep, when all your code relies on DNS and certificate validation it's really hard to write helpful unit tests, this gave me some confidence to change things :)
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  907. moparisthebest guess I'll be adding a few nginx's now for serving host-meta....
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  909. Link Mauve Andrzej, I just received a “401 - auth: You must authorize session first.” from your in-room JID, were you doing anything special?
  910. Sam moparisthebest: for spinning up something fast I'm a big fan of "python -m http.server", although I have no idea if you can do TLS with it.
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  912. moparisthebest I'll probably still use nginx because of "the beast you know" thing :)
  913. Sam Actually, looking at my code I don't think I even need to do integration tests. It's not strictly a unit test, but I might as well just spin up the http server in process (ie. with Go's net/http) and then just do the lookup against localhost and see if it connects, then see if it tries to connect to the "xmpp server" that's just a tcp listener on a different port that I threw in the fake host meta file.
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