XSF Discussion - 2022-02-16


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  237. Guus emus: eh, you can send me a postcard with your details on it, I guess?
  238. Guus There's only so much burning hoops I'm willing to jump through, though.
  239. Daniel If only someone would come up with a protocol for communicating that optionally supports e2ee
  240. Guus Doesn't Matrix have that?
  241. Guus I hear good things about Signal.
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  246. mjk OG (OpenPGP over Gmail)!
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  253. mjk On another topic, I don't suppose there's XEP search functionality on the website, with support for OpenSearch, is there? Being able to look up xeps by numbers or numbers by names right from browser's search bar is an itch that's steadilly building up for me
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  255. wurstsalat mjk: there isn't yet. Are you volunteering? :)
  256. mjk wurstsalat: Not yet, I don't think I'm up for backend coding, especially when there doesn't seem to _be_ a backend (the site is 100% static, right?)
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  259. mjk Lua on the backend would be nice though :)
  260. MattJ It is 100% static, but since everything is in docker it's easy enough to change that, especially if the backend is just reading static files
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  262. mjk Yeah, no database needed for sure :))
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  264. wurstsalat I guess you can hook into the xep sorting thing if it's just title/number filtering you want to do
  265. mjk wurstsalat: you mean, in js? Well yeah, filtering on that page would be good as well, just not as perfect as opensearch would be :))
  266. wurstsalat mjk: yes. That would keep complexity down :)
  267. mjk Right. For my personal itch I may just write a script for searching in xeplist.xml locally
  268. mjk And maaaaybe put it on a personal web server... which I don't have yet
  269. jonas’ mjk, if you are on firefox, I can highly recommend to make a wildcard/shortcut bookmark for xeps
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  272. jonas’ that helps with the "lookup by number" use case a lot
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  274. mjk Oh, a keyboard shortcut? That a thing? Unfortunately I'm most of the time on Android, so..
  275. jonas’ hmm
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  277. jonas’ at least on firefox desktop, you can make a bookmark so that typing `xep 1234` in the address bar will get you to XEP 1234
  278. jonas’ not sure if and how that works on android
  279. emus Guus: Yes, xmpp for sure but I dont have your ID :/
  280. mjk That is cool, I'll look in that direction. Ty jonas’
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  283. Guus emus: https://wiki.xmpp.org/web/User:Guus (my company website lists an address in the footer, that you can use)
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  285. jonas’ mjk, http://johnbokma.com/firefox/keymarks-explained.html
  286. emus Guus: great
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  295. emus Guus: sent
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  300. Guus emus: to what? I've _just_ restarted my home XMPP server, so chances are that something got lost.
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  302. Guus ah, nevermind
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  324. Guus does the mailinglist allow for attachments?
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  327. jonas’ "maybe"
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  329. Guus ghee, thanks! :D
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  337. Guus I'll just try.
  338. Guus Sent to the mailinglist. No bounce so far. Did someone receive it with the attachments? I'm just realizing that I included nice keywords like 'order' 'price' with an email that includes pictures. If that doesn't set off some spam filters...
  339. Kev I have attachments.
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  342. Guus Thanks. Apologies for the precedent.
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  639. Zash Ge0rG, as author of XEP-0410, would you consider adding an opt-out of some sort for the server taking care of things for you so pings aren't needed?
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  641. Ge0rG Zash: yes
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  648. emus I thought this Firebase thing is dead. Wasnt it based on XMPP? https://www.kdab.com/qt-allstack-ii-adding-firebase/
  649. MattJ It's... complicated
  650. emus 😅
  651. Zash Ge0rG, I imagine I should take that as a "PR welcome"
  652. Ge0rG Zash: yeah
  653. Ge0rG Zash: we can also discuss the details in advance once I have some energy
  654. MattJ These days Firebase is more of a brand name covering a range of APIs that developers might find useful. This includes the push stuff, which is one of the oldest parts. I'm not sure if Google is still exposing an XMPP interface, but they might well be.
  655. emus MattJ: Thanks
  656. Ge0rG MattJ: IIRC they are, for two-way firebase push
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  714. moparisthebest > The XMPP Registrar [9] shall include 'urn:xmpp:alt-connections' in its registry of protocol namespaces (see <https://xmpp.org/registrar/namespaces.html>).
  715. moparisthebest hrm, well I guess *that* never happened...
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  717. jonas’ very likely
  718. jonas’ :)
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  720. moparisthebest what's our process for deleting https://xmpp.org/registrar/alt-connections.html ?
  721. Zash type "The XMPP Registrar [9] shall remove 'urn:xmpp:alt-connections' from its registry of protocol namespaces (see <https://xmpp.org/registrar/namespaces.html>)." into a XEP?
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  723. moparisthebest no, we want 'urn:xmpp:alt-connections' defined, we *don't* want the TXT record tags defined
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  726. Sam Last I heard there was no active registrar and the registries weren't being updated, whether added to or deleted, so that's probably a first step :) I think I volunteered to help maintain them but never heard back from anyone (if not, I volunteer as tribune, I mean, registrar again)
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  729. jonas’ Sam, make a PR which fixes all the things I guess?
  730. jonas’ unless you did and nobody looked at it, that's entirely plausible
  731. Sam I made several and nobody looked at them IIRC :)
  732. Zash I too made one IIRC
  733. jonas’ they need more docs then, possibly, or a resend somewhere
  734. Sam Yup, 5 PRs open. Feedback on any of them would be appreciated.
  735. Zash Who even has permissions there?
  736. jonas’ I do
  737. moparisthebest I see they take security very seriously https://pidgin.im/news/security/
  738. jonas’ hm, possibly a remaining question was where to get the image built
  739. jonas’ given that all the options suck
  740. Zash moparisthebest, Given that migrated to a new website not too long ago, I imagine if that's an URL you expect to work then please report it to xmpp:devel@conference.pidgin.im?join
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  742. moparisthebest Zash, followed from https://developer.pidgin.im/wiki/SecurityVulnerabilityProcess but yep will do
  743. Sam I tried to volunteer to do that too, but just submitted a PR with the dockerfile that's similar to what's already deployed instead, neither received a response :) not your fault, I'm just saying, we have the people willing to do the work if you're willing to utilize them
  744. Sam (or whomever is in charge of this)
  745. jonas’ Sam, I am in charge, so I'm the right one to shout at
  746. Zash moparisthebest, as it says at the top, migration
  747. jonas’ but what's your plan for building the image?
  748. Zash yolo build everything on the same VM? also iteam topic?
  749. Sam jonas’: *shouting* I VOLUNTEER TO HELP :)
  750. jonas’ Zash, building on the VM is the thing which has been ruled out in the past
  751. Zash But now we do it for at least the website and possibly the wiki
  752. jonas’ and yes, kind of iteam topic, but iteam has no answer to that, hence the editor has found a different "solution" for xeps and xep-attic
  753. Sam We can still keep the repo up to date even if it's not building right away
  754. Zash new year, time for a new CI chain?
  755. jonas’ Sam, so I think the best way would be to have you join editor team again so that I can grant you +w on registrar so that you can do the cleanup, and then we can coordinate with iteam how to get the stuff deployed
  756. moparisthebest forever, until you roll your own
  757. jonas’ I'm perfectly happy with fully delegating /registrar/ to someone else
  758. jonas’ (in this case, you)
  759. Sam That sounds fine, I don't think I ever officially left, I just stopped doing the work
  760. jonas’ you're not on https://xmpp.org/about/xsf/editor-team/ anyway
  761. jonas’ which has the same source of data as the github permissions
  762. jonas’ I think you dropped out of XSF membership for a term or so
  763. jonas’ ah yes, Q2-2021, hence you got removed from the team
  764. Sam I guess I volunteer for that then
  765. jonas’ IIRC team memberships go through board
  766. jonas’ so writing to board today would probably be good to get it done tomorrow
  767. jonas’ I happen to be on board@ so I can give my OK to that
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  777. Sam Done
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