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moparisthebest
Just had a conversation with a long time IRC friend today, asked my opinion on Matrix
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moparisthebest
Said he really likes the design of XMPP and that it's an IETF standard etc but lack of reliable message delivery and history is a deal breaker...
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moparisthebest
Is there some XMPP fud article everyone is sharing around or a breakdown in communication or what?
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L29Ah
well, there's no reliable message delivery and history in the IETF standard
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wgreenhouse
^ the 2022 compliance suite xep or modernxmpp might be an antidote without feeding into the ecosystem-is-moving FUD?
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mdosch
> lack of reliable message delivery Hmm, actually it works very well > and history History works also, if history on new devices is an issue you could use PGP instead of omemo
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mdosch
> Is there some XMPP fud article everyone is sharing around or a breakdown in communication or what? Wasn't there a myths section on xmpp.org?
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moparisthebest
Right, I listed all the things that worked great with XMPP and he was all "oh yea that sounds perfect" and it's all been working at least a decade, he just hadn't heard about it
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moparisthebest
Pidgin+gtalk strikes again I guess
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mdosch
Meh
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Guus
> Said he really likes the design of XMPP and that it's an IETF standard etc but lack of reliable message delivery and history is a deal breaker... Did you ask him where or how he came to that conclusion moparisthebest ?
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Holger
Isn't that just common knowledge shared among everyone besides us?
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mjk
We need to ~cancel Pidgin~ get together and improve Pidgin to the point of the best desktop xmpp client!!11
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Zash
You have my vim!
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mjk
I have only a puny nano, but I'll do my best too
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kinetik
dino eats pidgin
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Ge0rG
Shouldn't that be "Dino eats pterodactyl"?
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Sam
Whoa, is it called Dino because Pigeons *are* Dinos?
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Ellenor Malik
:B
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mjk
> Whoa, is it called Dino because Pigeons *are* Dinos? was going to say something like "Dino is Protopidgin"
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moparisthebest
*mind blown*
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edhelas
I think we really need to have a Conversations about Pidgin yes