XSF Discussion - 2022-03-02


  1. moparisthebest

    Just had a conversation with a long time IRC friend today, asked my opinion on Matrix

  2. moparisthebest

    Said he really likes the design of XMPP and that it's an IETF standard etc but lack of reliable message delivery and history is a deal breaker...

  3. moparisthebest

    Is there some XMPP fud article everyone is sharing around or a breakdown in communication or what?

  4. L29Ah

    well, there's no reliable message delivery and history in the IETF standard

  5. wgreenhouse

    ^ the 2022 compliance suite xep or modernxmpp might be an antidote without feeding into the ecosystem-is-moving FUD?

  6. mdosch

    > lack of reliable message delivery Hmm, actually it works very well > and history History works also, if history on new devices is an issue you could use PGP instead of omemo

  7. mdosch

    > Is there some XMPP fud article everyone is sharing around or a breakdown in communication or what? Wasn't there a myths section on xmpp.org?

  8. moparisthebest

    Right, I listed all the things that worked great with XMPP and he was all "oh yea that sounds perfect" and it's all been working at least a decade, he just hadn't heard about it

  9. moparisthebest

    Pidgin+gtalk strikes again I guess

  10. mdosch

    Meh

  11. Guus

    > Said he really likes the design of XMPP and that it's an IETF standard etc but lack of reliable message delivery and history is a deal breaker... Did you ask him where or how he came to that conclusion moparisthebest ?

  12. Holger

    Isn't that just common knowledge shared among everyone besides us?

  13. mjk

    We need to ~cancel Pidgin~ get together and improve Pidgin to the point of the best desktop xmpp client!!11

  14. Zash

    You have my vim!

  15. mjk

    I have only a puny nano, but I'll do my best too

  16. kinetik

    dino eats pidgin

  17. Ge0rG

    Shouldn't that be "Dino eats pterodactyl"?

  18. Sam

    Whoa, is it called Dino because Pigeons *are* Dinos?

  19. Ellenor Malik

    :B

  20. mjk

    > Whoa, is it called Dino because Pigeons *are* Dinos? was going to say something like "Dino is Protopidgin"

  21. moparisthebest

    *mind blown*

  22. edhelas

    I think we really need to have a Conversations about Pidgin yes