XSF Discussion - 2022-03-09


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  159. moparisthebest

    jonasโ€™, Sam, how to delete these? https://xmpp.org/registrar/compress.html https://xmpp.org/registrar/alt-connections.html :)

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  204. Neustradamus

    moparisthebest: It is not up-to-date since several years, it is linked to: https://github.com/xsf/registrar/issues/31 + https://github.com/xsf/xmpp.org/issues/422 I have informed that it is very very old: "Last Updated: 2011-02-22".

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  207. Ge0rG

    jonasโ€™: making PRs would imply that if know what the right values are

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  284. flow

    does one really delete registry entires? I'd expect that they stay registered forever for documentation purposed (but potentially get marked accordingly)

  285. flow

    does one really delete registry entires? I'd expect that they stay registered forever for documentation purposes (but potentially get marked accordingly)

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  289. MattJ

    I agree, for the same reason we don't delete XEPs

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  294. jonasโ€™

    +1

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  303. Ge0rG

    MattJ: can you make use of https://op-co.de/tmp/namespacemap.txt for jabber.org?

  304. Ge0rG

    I'm still not sure what to do with the anomalies (which I've excluded from this list)

  305. Ge0rG closes seventeen XEP tabs now, for XEPs that he hasn't looked at ever or at least in many years

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  317. MattJ

    Ge0rG: yes, I think so. I will look at it very soon (next day or two), it should be an easy copy/paste/reload job

  318. Ge0rG

    MattJ: awesome, thanks.

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  320. Ge0rG

    I hope somebody else is going to give the list a look. My first heuristic was to link to the XEP that has the most mentions of the namespace, but that didn't work out well

  321. Ge0rG

    Instead I used the earliest XEP number that mentions the namespace, had a bunch of false positives like '30 that mention too many things, fixed them manually

  322. jonasโ€™

    perfect is the enemy of good

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  325. Ge0rG

    Maybe we could add an XML tag to the XEPs that contains all the namespaces defined within that XEP

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  329. Neustradamus

    There are 2 problems here too: - https://github.com/xsf/xmpp.org/issues/421 (redirections do not work) - https://github.com/xsf/xep-attic/issues/3 (a lot of missing)

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  332. rion

    > I feel like for people in russia who are chatting with people from abroad, now is possibly a good time to activate disappearing messages when talking about certain topics / naming certain events I always thought it's helpful while cheating wifes or something like this. But damn politics everywhere.

  333. Neustradamus

    rion: yes!

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  346. Ge0rG

    rion: I've argued before, that the xmpp ecosystem, as currently implemented, is by far not the smartest choice for people with a risk of being killed by their government.

  347. Ellenor Malik

    require e2ee, store as little as possible

  348. jonasโ€™

    Ge0rG, but is that a reason to not improve it in that direction?

  349. Ge0rG

    jonasโ€™: no. All we need is a decade and an army of security specialists.

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  600. moparisthebest

    jonasโ€™, flow MattJ but if no XEPs point to those registries anymore, why keep them around ? Isn't it just confusing?

  601. Ge0rG

    moparisthebest: if nothing points there, it's only relevant for the legacy users anyway

  602. moparisthebest

    they are security issues, there shouldn't be legacy users

  603. MattJ

    Better to update the registry to clarify that, than just remove it

  604. Ge0rG

    moparisthebest: well. where should I start?

  605. moparisthebest

    I'd be ok updating the registry to clarify that too...

  606. moparisthebest

    the compression one is still pointed to by obsoleted XEPs, so I get keeping it and updating it, the DNS entry one isn't pointed to by any XEP (it was removed from '156) so it's pretty confusing to keep it at all I think ?

  607. Ge0rG is currently in the middle of a world-wide project that's rolling out mifare classic cards (known insecure since 2008) for security purposes, and they aren't even using the known-insecure security properties of these cards.

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  609. MattJ

    moparisthebest, we still keep old versions of XEPs around

  610. MattJ

    I think the right thing to do is simply note that certain registries/entries are not to be used for whatever reason

  611. moparisthebest

    so how do I add a note to registries then? :)

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  613. Ge0rG

    moparisthebest: you need to fix the registry deployment

  614. moparisthebest

    I thought Sam was doing that? :D

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  643. Holger

    In case anyone's interested, goffi is giving a talk on bridging XMPP with ActivityPub *now*: https://meet.in-berlin.de/XMPP-ActivityPubGateway

  644. junaid

    Holger, will there be a recording?

  645. Holger

    I don't think so, sorry.

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    Hi folks, reminder to take the chance to talk and present at our XMPP Office Hours! https://xmpp.org/community/officehours/ and have a look at xmpp.work too!

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