XSF Discussion - 2022-03-22


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  204. al1r4d xsf should add reply feature
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  206. MattJ al1r4d, https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0461.html ?
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  208. al1r4d MattJ, how to reply ?
  209. MattJ The XSF doesn't develop any software. How to reply to a message depends on the software you use.
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  477. تجارب Is there anyway to puplish aphoto along with its description in one shot ... like in telegram
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  479. Sam What client are you using? Many of them work differently.
  480. moparisthebest I think yes but most clients don't let you
  481. moparisthebest iirc with Conversations and derivatives it's explicitly an Android UI limitation
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  483. Sam I don't think so, lots of other apps let you attach things and send messages
  484. Sam But I'm not sure what "Android UI limitation" really means, so I might be wrong
  485. Daniel It's an internal database structure issue
  486. Daniel 3.x will do massive refactore of how everything is stored and will allow a message to have more than just one media
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  490. تجارب > It's an internal database structure issue This looks reasonable
  491. تجارب I tried conversations,blabber,monocles, and c0nnect in android Also pidgin and gajim under linux debian No chance any of them could do it
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  493. تجارب I believe it is about the internal data structure of the xmpp
  494. moparisthebest it's not, it's just how most clients are implemented
  495. Sam I'm not sure why clients don't do this, but it's not a restriction in XMPP. I really dislike that clients don't let me do this too.
  496. تجارب But I thought some client that focuse on telegram similarity for news channels might do some work around for this
  497. Zash Even the very old and simple method (called out-of-band data) by which media is sent does support a description, but clients don't implement support for that
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  499. تجارب > I'm not sure why clients don't do this, but it's not a restriction in XMPP. I really dislike that clients don't let me do this too. I believe all of the currently available clients can do it if the developers are asked to
  500. Link Mauve Zash, Gajim used to support that, but it got removed to align with Conversations’s ways.
  501. Zash Great 🙁
  502. تجارب The internal data classes might not support it but I can imagine workin around it in a way or two
  503. تجارب > Zash, Gajim used to support that, but it got removed to align with Conversations’s ways. This is strange ... Antideveloping features
  504. msavoritias > تجارب wrote: > This is strange ... Antideveloping features Yeah. Lets just say that the whole xmpp ecosystem has shifted to align with conversations a lot. Hopefully that will start changing with snikket and dino
  505. moparisthebest why would it ? both are modelled heavily after Conversations
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  508. moparisthebest people who used telegram don't want the 80,000 options gajim provides
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  510. msavoritias Well تجارب wants news channels/moderation and descriptions. Gajim provides both. Telegram is pretty advanced despite how deceptively simple it looks
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  512. moparisthebest what's the downside of just sending a picture in 1 message immediately followed by a description in another?
  513. msavoritias moparisthebest: my thinking was that dino will push for more normie features and calls. And snikket will push for more security, self hosting and invite stuff
  514. Sam In a MUC there's a race condition. Lots of other messages might have been sent.
  515. moparisthebest close enough...
  516. Sam Maybe. Maybe not. If you've ever tried to do it in a busy room it can be quite annoying.
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  518. msavoritias Or the problem of accessibility. We can put descriptions in pictures to accomodate it
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  520. msavoritias There is a huge push for it in Mastodon which is pretty great
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  529. moparisthebest don't get me wrong, I think including them both in the same message is a good idea, push for the change
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  531. moparisthebest I don't buy it's "the one thing (tm)" keeping XMPP from mainstream adoption :P
  532. تجارب > what's the downside of just sending a picture in 1 message immediately followed by a description in another? This is the only option I have, apparently
  533. moparisthebest تجارب, just ask the client devs for the change
  534. تجارب > تجارب, just ask the client devs for the change I will
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  538. msavoritias > moparisthebest wrote: > don't get me wrong, I think including them both in the same message is a good idea, push for the change > I don't buy it's "the one thing (tm)" keeping XMPP from mainstream adoption :P Of course its not :) Just nice to have xmpp more featureful
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  540. mjk in a news channel with one user having voice, it's a non-issue, even :)
  541. mjk no races when you don't have concurrency
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