XSF Discussion - 2022-03-22


  1. al1r4d

    xsf should add reply feature

  2. MattJ

    al1r4d, https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0461.html ?

  3. al1r4d

    MattJ, how to reply ?

  4. MattJ

    The XSF doesn't develop any software. How to reply to a message depends on the software you use.

  5. تجارب

    Is there anyway to puplish aphoto along with its description in one shot ... like in telegram

  6. Sam

    What client are you using? Many of them work differently.

  7. moparisthebest

    I think yes but most clients don't let you

  8. moparisthebest

    iirc with Conversations and derivatives it's explicitly an Android UI limitation

  9. Sam

    I don't think so, lots of other apps let you attach things and send messages

  10. Sam

    But I'm not sure what "Android UI limitation" really means, so I might be wrong

  11. Daniel

    It's an internal database structure issue

  12. Daniel

    3.x will do massive refactore of how everything is stored and will allow a message to have more than just one media

  13. تجارب

    > It's an internal database structure issue This looks reasonable

  14. تجارب

    I tried conversations,blabber,monocles, and c0nnect in android Also pidgin and gajim under linux debian No chance any of them could do it

  15. تجارب

    I believe it is about the internal data structure of the xmpp

  16. moparisthebest

    it's not, it's just how most clients are implemented

  17. Sam

    I'm not sure why clients don't do this, but it's not a restriction in XMPP. I really dislike that clients don't let me do this too.

  18. تجارب

    But I thought some client that focuse on telegram similarity for news channels might do some work around for this

  19. Zash

    Even the very old and simple method (called out-of-band data) by which media is sent does support a description, but clients don't implement support for that

  20. تجارب

    > I'm not sure why clients don't do this, but it's not a restriction in XMPP. I really dislike that clients don't let me do this too. I believe all of the currently available clients can do it if the developers are asked to

  21. Link Mauve

    Zash, Gajim used to support that, but it got removed to align with Conversations’s ways.

  22. Zash

    Great 🙁

  23. تجارب

    The internal data classes might not support it but I can imagine workin around it in a way or two

  24. تجارب

    > Zash, Gajim used to support that, but it got removed to align with Conversations’s ways. This is strange ... Antideveloping features

  25. msavoritias

    > تجارب wrote: > This is strange ... Antideveloping features Yeah. Lets just say that the whole xmpp ecosystem has shifted to align with conversations a lot. Hopefully that will start changing with snikket and dino

  26. moparisthebest

    why would it ? both are modelled heavily after Conversations

  27. moparisthebest

    people who used telegram don't want the 80,000 options gajim provides

  28. msavoritias

    Well تجارب wants news channels/moderation and descriptions. Gajim provides both. Telegram is pretty advanced despite how deceptively simple it looks

  29. moparisthebest

    what's the downside of just sending a picture in 1 message immediately followed by a description in another?

  30. msavoritias

    moparisthebest: my thinking was that dino will push for more normie features and calls. And snikket will push for more security, self hosting and invite stuff

  31. Sam

    In a MUC there's a race condition. Lots of other messages might have been sent.

  32. moparisthebest

    close enough...

  33. Sam

    Maybe. Maybe not. If you've ever tried to do it in a busy room it can be quite annoying.

  34. msavoritias

    Or the problem of accessibility. We can put descriptions in pictures to accomodate it

  35. msavoritias

    There is a huge push for it in Mastodon which is pretty great

  36. moparisthebest

    don't get me wrong, I think including them both in the same message is a good idea, push for the change

  37. moparisthebest

    I don't buy it's "the one thing (tm)" keeping XMPP from mainstream adoption :P

  38. تجارب

    > what's the downside of just sending a picture in 1 message immediately followed by a description in another? This is the only option I have, apparently

  39. moparisthebest

    تجارب, just ask the client devs for the change

  40. تجارب

    > تجارب, just ask the client devs for the change I will

  41. msavoritias

    > moparisthebest wrote: > don't get me wrong, I think including them both in the same message is a good idea, push for the change > I don't buy it's "the one thing (tm)" keeping XMPP from mainstream adoption :P Of course its not :) Just nice to have xmpp more featureful

  42. mjk

    in a news channel with one user having voice, it's a non-issue, even :)

  43. mjk

    no races when you don't have concurrency