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al1r4d
xsf should add reply feature
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MattJ
al1r4d, https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0461.html ?
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al1r4d
MattJ, how to reply ?
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MattJ
The XSF doesn't develop any software. How to reply to a message depends on the software you use.
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تجارب
Is there anyway to puplish aphoto along with its description in one shot ... like in telegram
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Sam
What client are you using? Many of them work differently.
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moparisthebest
I think yes but most clients don't let you
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moparisthebest
iirc with Conversations and derivatives it's explicitly an Android UI limitation
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Sam
I don't think so, lots of other apps let you attach things and send messages
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Sam
But I'm not sure what "Android UI limitation" really means, so I might be wrong
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Daniel
It's an internal database structure issue
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Daniel
3.x will do massive refactore of how everything is stored and will allow a message to have more than just one media
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تجارب
> It's an internal database structure issue This looks reasonable
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تجارب
I tried conversations,blabber,monocles, and c0nnect in android Also pidgin and gajim under linux debian No chance any of them could do it
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تجارب
I believe it is about the internal data structure of the xmpp
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moparisthebest
it's not, it's just how most clients are implemented
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Sam
I'm not sure why clients don't do this, but it's not a restriction in XMPP. I really dislike that clients don't let me do this too.
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تجارب
But I thought some client that focuse on telegram similarity for news channels might do some work around for this
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Zash
Even the very old and simple method (called out-of-band data) by which media is sent does support a description, but clients don't implement support for that
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تجارب
> I'm not sure why clients don't do this, but it's not a restriction in XMPP. I really dislike that clients don't let me do this too. I believe all of the currently available clients can do it if the developers are asked to
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Link Mauve
Zash, Gajim used to support that, but it got removed to align with Conversations’s ways.
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Zash
Great 🙁
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تجارب
The internal data classes might not support it but I can imagine workin around it in a way or two
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تجارب
> Zash, Gajim used to support that, but it got removed to align with Conversations’s ways. This is strange ... Antideveloping features
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msavoritias
> تجارب wrote: > This is strange ... Antideveloping features Yeah. Lets just say that the whole xmpp ecosystem has shifted to align with conversations a lot. Hopefully that will start changing with snikket and dino
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moparisthebest
why would it ? both are modelled heavily after Conversations
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moparisthebest
people who used telegram don't want the 80,000 options gajim provides
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msavoritias
Well تجارب wants news channels/moderation and descriptions. Gajim provides both. Telegram is pretty advanced despite how deceptively simple it looks
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moparisthebest
what's the downside of just sending a picture in 1 message immediately followed by a description in another?
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msavoritias
moparisthebest: my thinking was that dino will push for more normie features and calls. And snikket will push for more security, self hosting and invite stuff
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Sam
In a MUC there's a race condition. Lots of other messages might have been sent.
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moparisthebest
close enough...
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Sam
Maybe. Maybe not. If you've ever tried to do it in a busy room it can be quite annoying.
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msavoritias
Or the problem of accessibility. We can put descriptions in pictures to accomodate it
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msavoritias
There is a huge push for it in Mastodon which is pretty great
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moparisthebest
don't get me wrong, I think including them both in the same message is a good idea, push for the change
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moparisthebest
I don't buy it's "the one thing (tm)" keeping XMPP from mainstream adoption :P
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تجارب
> what's the downside of just sending a picture in 1 message immediately followed by a description in another? This is the only option I have, apparently
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moparisthebest
تجارب, just ask the client devs for the change
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تجارب
> تجارب, just ask the client devs for the change I will
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msavoritias
> moparisthebest wrote: > don't get me wrong, I think including them both in the same message is a good idea, push for the change > I don't buy it's "the one thing (tm)" keeping XMPP from mainstream adoption :P Of course its not :) Just nice to have xmpp more featureful
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mjk
in a news channel with one user having voice, it's a non-issue, even :)
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mjk
no races when you don't have concurrency