XSF Discussion - 2022-03-23


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  53. Ellenor Malik considers forking gajim 1.3
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  157. emus please consider not to split resources by forking again and again
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  178. Ellenor Malik lol
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  359. jcbrand I'm generally pro forks, as long as the people doing the forking give proper credit (ahem Xabber-web) and ideally offer to contribute their enhancements back to the original project.
  360. jcbrand Forks can be useful to explore alternative approaches without disrupting the main project.
  361. Sam For forks that aren't aiming to be a hard fork that entirely diverges and turns into a different project (ie. ones that still track upstream and apply patches on top) I've found that the working on the upstream codebase and submitting patches there works really well. Then only apply them to the fork if the upstream project doesn't want it and isn't going to implement it.
  362. Sam Obviously if the upstream *does* merge your patches, then you get them back the next time you sync with upstream and you don't have to figure out how to pick them out of your project to submit a separate PR upstream, then merge the conflicts later, etc.
  363. jcbrand Yes, that's the ideal, but even hard forks are fine IMO. Sometimes the upstream/original project is very opinionated about how things should be done and the people doing the forking want to do things differently.
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  366. wurstsalat Ellenor Malik: what's your motivation?
  367. Ellenor Malik primarily to learn python in the context of an extremely-complex project, secondarily to un-kill the traditional UI
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  369. mjk So basically maintain 1.3 branch after the official support is over? :)
  370. Ellenor Malik perhaps
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  377. Guus I love forks. People eventually reach out to pay me to get an outdated fork back up-to-date.
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  380. Guus People that realize this hire me to put non-proprietary changes in the upstream project. Win/win/win.
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  386. emus I did not wanted to state its bad to fork, but still review if supporting with this on the actual project could do it to. Guus: haha, thats the business perspective I assume :-)
  387. Sam That sounds like it will end up being a hard fork; you should update it to use aioxmpp so we can have clients that actually don't maintain their own library :)
  388. Sam (except I suspect at that point you might as well re-write it)
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  391. Guus Emus: without a business perspective, I wouldn't be able to contribute to XMPP as much as I do.
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  409. emus Guus: No blame, is alright!
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  415. Guus I wasn't really excusing myself, as I was trying to hint at "trying to make money" is a viable way to help develop the XMPP ecosystem. There are people that are volunteering amazing amounts of time and effort - which is great - but can't be done by many people. If, on the other hand, people can create a day-job from XMPP...
  416. Guus but yeah, waay off-topic. :)
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  563. emus in that regards (you are there already guus) if you offer any professional service: www.xmpp.work
  564. emus in that regards (you are there already guus) if you offer any professional service: https://xmpp.work
  565. emus https://xmpp.work/all-listings/
  566. emus @processone people: I recommend to maybe reshape the picture accordingly. Unfortunately the website does not handle ti
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  568. emus @processone people: I recommend to maybe reshape the picture accordingly. Unfortunately the website does not handle it
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  572. moparisthebest emus: I like how every single one is marked "popular" :)
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  575. Sam Is that still maintained? Half of them you click on them and they're expired
  576. Sam (actually, more than half, all of them on the homepage are expired)
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  581. emus Hmm, more or less not. I think the website should be rebuild with hugo possibly but we have other works to do here currently
  582. emus another question: is there a xep defining to favorise messages? Does it need a xep?
  583. Sam Define favorite messages? Do you mean pinning messages, or starring them? Are the favorited messages just for you, or can your contact see which messages of theirs you've favorited?
  584. Sam (I feel like there were XEPs for some of those depending on what you meant, but I can't remember)
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  589. mjk Even if just bookmarking messages for yourself, it would need a xep for cross-client sync
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  594. emus just myself
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  599. TheCoffeMaker emus, registration on xmpp.work isn't working right?
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  606. emus 🤔️, can you create an issue?
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  608. TheCoffeMaker where? ... wanna add me? maybe we are offtopic
  609. emus on github, the xmpp.org repo simply
  610. TheCoffeMaker 👌️
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  612. TheCoffeMaker emus, no need for an issue ... tried again and seems to work ... maybe a browser hiccup 🙇️
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  625. emus ok
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  627. emus Would be great to show all service providers at once an randomized
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