XSF Discussion - 2022-04-08


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  183. Tobias Is there a way to auto subscribe to private pep nodes without putting them all in caps?
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  188. Tobias I was considering the use case where I have a private pep node per roster contact. Or is that the wrong technology to use in that case?
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  198. Kev It is, you'd have one item per contanct, rather than one node.
  199. Kev It is, you'd have one item per contact, rather than one node.
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  230. Tobias ahh...i see
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  532. mjk A "purely hypothetical" question: In an established omemo session, one side has "rewound" its omemo state to some point far in the past (= backup restored). The server archive doesn't hold _all_ the messages exchanged since then, oldest ones being purged. Is it possible to "fast-forward" the omemo state so as to be able to decrypt the more recent history, or was the purged part of history somehow essential to being able to do that?
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  537. lovetox in omemo messages can be skipped
  538. lovetox but only until some amount as i recall it
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  540. lovetox but not sure anyone has tested this
  541. lovetox i guess if this wasnt the case it would be very fragile
  542. lovetox like one message missed and your session is dead
  543. lovetox the fact that i have sessions that are years old would hint that its not that fragile
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  553. wgreenhouse I think that's implementation dependent
  554. wgreenhouse IIRC Conversations can heal a gap of something like 1000 messages
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  558. lovetox its not really, we all use libsignal code, or ports of the code
  559. lovetox nobody invents or modifies the crypto
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  562. mjk Hmm. So, I take it as "if implementation is willing to forward the ratchet a gazillion of steps until it generates a key that can decrypt the oldest archived message, there's nothing in the crypto preventing that"
  563. mjk And that Canv. apparently stops trying after 1000 iterations
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  568. mjk And that Conv. apparently stops trying after 1000 iterations
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  593. vanitasvitae mjk: No, because during message exchange its likely that the receiving chain is forwarded, which triggers a new key derivation including some randomness. Therefore an old backup would result in the omemo session breaking, resulting in a new session.
  594. vanitasvitae This property is the "breaking recovery" part of the signal protocol.
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  602. mjk vanitasvitae: thanks for the expert insight. I assumed the randomness is pseudo-, and the PRNG's state is part of that backed up omemo state; apparently, not?
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  604. vanitasvitae No, the PRNGs state is not saved
  605. vanitasvitae That would defeat the purpose :D
  606. mjk Okay
  607. mjk sad (the "purely hypothetical" was sarcasm :))
  608. moparisthebest XEP-XXXX: Save OMEMO state and all messages un-encrypted on Apple's server to compete with iMessage
  609. Zash XEP-YYYY: Upload your private key to Google
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