XSF Discussion - 2022-04-13


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  332. MattJ Well, there is... the HTTP RFC(s)
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  340. raucao there is a spec for one solution at least. we were considering using that in remotestorage for the resumable uploads part for example: https://tus.io/protocols/resumable-upload.html
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  419. moparisthebest raucao: nice! That seems mostly sane, a lot of strange unnecessary things but otherwise
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  422. moparisthebest > The Client SHOULD use this header if its environment does not support the PATCH or DELETE methods. Which environment would this be...
  423. raucao Browser
  424. raucao For example
  425. raucao But without JS then
  426. raucao Sry, hehe. Can also not send custom headers then
  427. raucao But you can trust that there was a case for this
  428. raucao Since the protocol was written for a large upload service
  429. raucao You wouldn't have to support all of it to be compatible with most client libraries, especially regarding the optional extensions
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  431. moparisthebest Mdn seems down... But a quick search looks like PATCH works from JavaScript in the browser
  432. raucao The reason for using PATCH is that HTTP doesn't allow Content-Range on PUTs
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  434. raucao Yeah, if you use Fetch in JS you can use all methods
  435. Zash The method limit might be mostly <form>s
  436. moparisthebest Looks like plain xmlhttprequest has supported it for over a decade too https://stackoverflow.com/questions/11288608/http-patch-xmlhttprequest-support
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  449. jonas’ XHR supports it
  450. jonas’ but you're then immediately in CORS land
  451. jonas’ though you're already in CORS land when using the http upload XEP anyway
  452. Zash Isn't all that obsolete and now you must use Fetch()?
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  459. raucao It's not a MUST, but Fetch is also much more convenient than that old Internet Exploder hack
  460. Zash Yes it is. Web developers MUST use the latest hotness, lest they'd have to do actual useful work
  461. moparisthebest Shots fired
  462. raucao Using a much simpler native API over some library or complex boilercode in new code gives you more time to do useful things tho
  463. raucao Using a much simpler native API over some library or complex boilerplate code in new code gives you more time to do useful things tho
  464. raucao But you still don't have to
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  478. Zash raucao, feel free to assume everything I say on the topic is sarcasm
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  480. jonas’ (where topic == the web)
  481. Zash right
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  502. Sam Hi all, I've been working on setting up a possible new federated community space as an alternative to reddit/discourse. I'd love to see some other great XMPP projects join, or you can of course just join as an individual and follow your favorite projects! See you there I hope! https://community.xmpp.net/
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  506. moparisthebest Sam, very nice! So you can't comment/post with an existing fediverse account? you need a lemmy account ?
  507. Sam You should be able to use any existing fediverse account (you just won't be able to create communities I think)
  508. Sam The lemmy fediverse integration is relatively new though, so I'm not sure how it works. I know a few people have posted from other instances already, southerntofu knows maybe?
  509. Zash Pasting a post URL into the search box of a Mastodon instance finds the post at least
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  512. moparisthebest nifty I'll have to try it, wasn't looking forward to running another service :P
  513. Sam I wonder if I can promote someone on another service to be a moderator of a group; if so, happy to create communities for those who don't want a local account and then I can just promote them. I doubt it, because they wouldn't be able to log into the interface, but maybe they've thought of that
  514. moparisthebest on the other hand lemmy is both rust and AGPL so it's really calling me to run it haha
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  536. andrew > Hi all, I've been working on setting up a possible new federated community space as an alternative to reddit/discourse. I'd love to see some other great XMPP projects join, or you can of course just join as an individual and follow your favorite projects! See you there I hope! https://community.xmpp.net/ hi Sam ! not sure if this is the best place to ask but I tried to create an account and haven't received the verification email. pretty sure I put the right one so not sure if there's something else I should try 😅
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  538. MattJ Check your spam folder
  539. MattJ That's where mine went, unfortunately
  540. Sam I dunno, worked for me but I don't actually have any visibility into the email system
  541. Sam Maybe I should disable email verification and allow accounts without email; it makes password reset impossible, which will probably cause issues later
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  544. andrew yeah I checked my spam folder but nothing 🤔 not essential to create an account I guess - just thought it would be helpful for me moving forward 😄
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  546. Sam It might just take a bit too
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  549. Sam In the meantime I've disabled email verification. We can turn it on again later if spam becomes a problem.
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  551. Sam Oh hey, someone has already banned a spammer apparently. I didn't even see it. Thanks all.
  552. andrew awesome - that works for now 😄 hopefully the spamming won't be too much of an issue
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  655. goffi moparisthebest: just saw your note about security consideration on pubsub public subscription, will add it (answering the same if user exists but has no public subscriptions as if user doesn't exists). However, mutual subscription should not be required to get public subscriptions.
  656. moparisthebest goffi, cool sounds good, then I think just add another one saying adding at least 1 public subscription makes your JID subject to harvesting (which, I think, is desirable here)
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  658. goffi moparisthebest: yes makes sense. Thanks for the feedbacks.
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  663. Ge0rG even desirable outcomes should be clearly documented
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  668. goffi if you have other suggestions, please write to standard@ so I can easily check them for next update.
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