XSF Discussion - 2022-04-18


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  26. kurisu If namespaces were dropped, would there be any name collisions in practice? I mean <mechanisms> is unique even without the namespace being specified, isn't it. Are there currently any tags that would conflict were namespaces not there?
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  31. moparisthebest kurisu: it's how XEPs are versioned
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  38. mjk And also how uncoordinated extensibility is achieved
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  40. mjk XSF isn't a central authority on what can go into the stream, so without long namespace names collisions will occur
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  45. mjk (Or element names would need to be long and ugly themselves :))
  46. mjk (Or element names would need to be long and ugly themselves. :) Oh and attribute names too)
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  48. mjk Also, I'm pretty sure any normal stanza fits into a network packet just fine, even without compression
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  52. moparisthebest I'm not sure that's the case
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  59. kurisu > XSF isn't a central authority on what can go into the stream, so without long namespace names collisions will occur Have they?
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  61. moparisthebest kurisu: yes, for every xep that has multiple different versions
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  156. Guus Child elements named 'x' or 'query' are pretty common.
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  170. MattJ <enable> is used in various protocols
  171. MattJ There are certainly many examples of collisions to find
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  223. kurisu Why was xhtml-im deprecated?
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  228. MattJ Because clients, especially web clients, would just put the contents into the web page at worst, or incorrectly sanitize it at best
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  230. MattJ So if someone was using a web client, you could, for example, send them a <script> which would get executed - and that script would have full access to their XMPP account, etc.
  231. MattJ Some people believe this the fault was of the developers, some of the libraries, and some believe it was the design of the protocol
  232. MattJ The rationale for deprecation was "let's replace it with something completely unlike HTML, so clients are forced to translate it... and therefore always emit safe HTML"
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  248. jonas’ kurisu, search for which XEPs use `<query/>` :)
  249. jonas’ also, pubsub alone uses at least three differently namespaced `<pubsub/>` elements.
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  255. mjk >> XSF isn't a central authority on what can go into the stream, so without long namespace names collisions will occur > Have they? Outside of XEPs, that's pretty much umknowable. People and companies use xmpp in all sorts of (weird) ways, and it's not unheard of that those things get to interop with xmpp software that follows _only_ the rfcs and xeps
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  262. Zash Are those using namespaces tho?
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  277. mjk They should, is my point
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  281. Zash remembers the recent example of attributes stuffed with JSON and cries
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  286. mjk At least it's not html
  287. mjk With <script>s
  288. mjk Although who knows if the implementation just does eval on these attrs
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  350. lovetox flow: about openpgp xep, how would encrypting files and using http upload work?
  351. lovetox with omemo we send a aesgcm:// link to the contact, and then he knows this is encrypted, with openpgp we could probably do something nicer and build on some of the filetransfer metadata xeps
  352. lovetox because we have fullstanza encryption
  353. pep. lovetox, 454 isn't bound to OMEMO
  354. lovetox but im not aware that anything anywhere is specified
  355. pep. But yeah there's certainly better than that
  356. pep. sfs?
  357. lovetox of course it is pep.
  358. lovetox it says that in the name lol
  359. pep. No it's not? It's basically just aes encryption..
  360. pep. it's just that the transport should be encrypted to send the link
  361. pep. So you can use whatever
  362. pep. https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0447.html and https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0448.html otherwise
  363. lovetox hm true
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  366. lovetox 448 looks good
  367. pep. yeah
  368. lovetox thanks
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  499. moparisthebest lovetox: when using pgp why not just use pgp file encryption
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  588. lovetox moparisthebest, its not about how to encrypt, its about how to tell the other person that it is encrypted
  589. lovetox but 0448 seems to solve that
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