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  954. lovetox so whats everybodys take on the new EU proposed chat surveilence thing
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  960. lovetox i hope this does not come to term
  961. lovetox seems idiotic overreach
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  963. moparisthebest Saw this on the fediverse, all I know about it https://www.patrick-breyer.de/en/destruction-of-digital-privacy-of-correspondence-lawsuit-filed-against-chat-control/
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  965. moparisthebest Unclear, is it requiring XMPP servers to do this too? Seems like yes
  966. wgreenhouse lovetox: I haven't seen a good "take" on how xmpp service operators in .eu would actually be affected, or if they would be. I hope somebody is actually researching that.
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  975. lovetox i guess we will know tomorrow
  976. menel Unprovoked mass surveillance has been rejected more then once by the courts. (In Ger) I think it will be no different this time.
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  978. wgreenhouse > i guess we will know tomorrow is the status that the Commission is about to release a proposed rule? and if so, what's the next step after that?
  979. moparisthebest it's been around for over a year right? "allowing" them to do it?
  980. moparisthebest the vote tomorrow is to *force* them to do it
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  1186. rebeld22 Good news for all those who defend human rights in general, namely the right to privacy. All metadada collection is strictly prohibited.
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  1188. rebeld22 I mean, even judicial, governmental, police and any other entities are strictly prohibited from collecting metadata from all sorts of communications. This prohibition extends to the contents of any communications. This means that not only absolutely no one can access or collect the content of communications, but also that no one can even access or collect the metadata of those same communications.
  1189. moparisthebest rebeld22: in what jurisdictions? Links?
  1190. moparisthebest Hopefully not *all* metadata is prohibited or the internet won't work
  1191. mjk rebeld22: UAAL?
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  1193. rebeld22 All metada collection is prohibited.
  1194. rebeld22 "All" means all.
  1195. rebeld22 People... It's all over the news...
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  1197. Paganini Well, this prohibition has always existed (since 1975). Now it has only been confirmed with general binding force.
  1198. moparisthebest What jurisdiction? I don't watch news
  1199. Paganini It's confirmed!
  1200. moparisthebest "all" means you can't look at IP headers to route traffic so the internet stops working
  1201. rebeld22 Give me a couple of minutes.
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  1203. rebeld22 Country/Jurisdiction: Portugal.
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  1205. rebeld22 Here it is: https://www.tribunalconstitucional.pt/tc/acordaos/20220268.html
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  1211. moparisthebest Only Portugal or EU or ?
  1212. mjk Nice, what's left is inventing a legal text machine translator :))
  1213. rebeld22 Checkmate.
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  1222. rebeld22 https://www.jornaldenegocios.pt/economia/detalhe/20220427-1722-tribunal-constitucional-chumba-normas-da-lei-dos-metadados
  1223. mjk SimplyTranslate was only able to translate legalese to JSON :/
  1224. moparisthebest The EU is voting tomorrow whether to require companies to scan all chats forever right?
  1225. moparisthebest How do these 2 mesh ?
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  1228. rebeld22 https://expresso.pt/politica/2022-04-27-Tribunal-Constitucional-chumba-normas-da-lei-dos-metadados-f2bb7b71
  1229. rebeld22 > Nice, what's left is inventing a legal text machine translator :)) Hum? You don't understand portuguese?
  1230. mjk rebeld22: correct
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  1232. mjk Well if the law is about _meta_data, surely they can record all message content, throwing out the addresses and whatnot?
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  1234. rebeld22 If you understand spanish or french you will understand portuguese... Latin languages, very similar...
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  1236. mjk feels linguistically challenged
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  1238. mjk As in, _challenge accepted!_
  1239. mjk Anyway, is it about storage or processing?
  1240. rebeld22 > The EU is voting tomorrow whether to require companies to scan all chats forever right? > How do these 2 mesh ? That's impossible in Portugal. Even the metadata collection is strictly prohibited.
  1241. rebeld22 It's about access and collection. Read the links.
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  1243. rebeld22 Communication localization strictly prohibited too.
  1244. Ellenor Malik wh-
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