XSF Discussion - 2022-05-11

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00:09:40 rebeld22 As stated by the Constitutional Court, the Constitution of the Portuguese Republic is above Community law. Therefore, what the European Union approves or does not approve, in terms of legislation, is completely indifferent.
00:09:48 mjk The text says something about some data retention obligation. That doesn't sound like "metadata collection is prohibited" to me, although IANAL(inguist)
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00:10:42 mjk But! > \n\n5th. Data relating to the content of communications are excluded from the data retention obligation, as, pursuant to the provisions of paragraph 2 of article 1, the retention of such data is expressly prohibited."}
00:10:50 rebeld22 You definetly can't understand portuguese... 😃
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00:11:42 mjk I can't even understand this in English! Probably need sleep
00:12:13 rebeld22 The retention of any kind of data is strictly prohibited.
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00:14:10 TheCoffeMaker Yeap ... That's the TL;DR of that article
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00:16:47 qwestion > rebeld22: UAAL? What acronym is this
00:16:48 qwestion > Communication localization strictly prohibited too. What does this mean? You cant translate content or they cant link content or metadata to its bestguessed geographic origin?
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00:19:20 rebeld22 It means geo localization... be it via GPS (precise) or cellular towers (approximately).
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00:33:15 wgreenhouse > The EU is voting tomorrow whether to require companies to scan all chats forever right? moparisthebest: it sounds like "scan all chats" thing (a European Commission proposed regulation) may be incompatible with other EU law. which is why I asked if anybody had an informed/non-scaremongery opinion about it :)
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00:54:44 rebeld22 It would be no problem here, because the Constitution does not allow that.
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00:58:57 rebeld22 But even the Court of Justice of the European Union has already ruled on the illegality of such kind of privacy violation, given the provisions of the European Union treaties themselves. So don't worry, relax.
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01:01:18 moparisthebest Never relax
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02:02:25 pep. https://www.bitsoffreedom.nl/2022/05/10/belgium-wants-to-ban-signal-and-is-a-harbinger-of-european-policy/ (Definitely not sharing it for the Signal praise, this article is too much on this topic :x)
02:03:07 pep. This seems to be yet another thing right. Belgium imposing data retention
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06:49:06 menel EU law is > state law, (see Poland crisis) But if multibe country's high courts rule against this madness, then it'd unlikely it will ever be installed.. As I suspected from the start
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07:05:04 msavoritias Or if EU itself doesnt vote it
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07:48:48 pep. menel: EU law > state law except when they just "nope" out. And it's not just Poland, I'm sure they all do for some things. France does on data retention period, and certainly some more
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07:50:31 mathieui In France there are plenty of other cases (e.g. mandatory inspection "contrôle technique" on motorbikes is mandated by EU law but still not applicable in France due to lobbying by biker groups and industrials)
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07:56:47 menel Anarchy! 😃
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07:58:20 mathieui I wish
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07:59:27 mdosch > lobbying by biker groups Hmm, biker groups with their leather coats lobbying with baseball bats? 😂
08:00:19 pep. > Anarchy! 😃 Only if you mean anarchy, not anomie :p
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08:05:54 mathieui mdosch, pretty much yes, but with modified exhaust pipe and much louder
08:06:11 mjk >> UAAL? > What acronym is this Good qwestion! It means 'U are a lawyer'
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10:18:18 raucao EU reguations cannot override member countries' constitutions
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10:18:58 raucao doesn't mean they're not trying regularly
10:19:28 raucao similar to how the governments of EU countries try regularly within their own country
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10:26:19 Maranda rebeld22: luckily I don't live in Portugal, poor ISPs
10:26:32 Maranda Live and work
10:26:38 Maranda Actually
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10:28:01 Guus pretty awesome food tho...
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10:30:50 Maranda Possibly Guus , but for that Italy's good too you know 🤣
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10:31:52 Guus Compared to Dutch cuisine, pretty much anything is an improvement.
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10:34:14 mdosch has no idea about typical dutch food.
10:34:22 mdosch French fries and cheese?
10:38:59 wurstsalat Don't forget Frikandel ;)
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10:40:57 mdosch > Country of origin: Low Countries Low countries == Niederlande? Never heard that one.
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11:05:30 Guus > mdosch has no idea about typical dutch food. Exactly.
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21:20:51 emus Kind reminder to everyone to hold talks at the XMPP Office hours track https://xmpp.org/community/officehours/
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