XSF Discussion - 2022-06-07

> Christian indoctrination is everywhere. If you take this stance, then basically every national holiday is some form of indoctrination.

yeah, so it would be great to have holidays in a location not dominated by a single doctrine but to have a good mix. But this is getting really off topic now

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In the UK, dunno if it was just my company or a general trend (somebody can confirm), I had to take a day off for public holidays (the amount was added to the pool of holidays I could take). Not entirely sure what the rationale was but I didn't have to take christian holidays as a side-effect.

pep.: so you were able to reschedule public holidays on your own terms?

Yeah

cool

And in general I'd stay in the office when nobody was in, because of course it's better :x

(also.. holy-day. just for the ethymology check)

I was thinking just that, and accidentally landed at the FSM Independence Day

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When a client is interested in _many_ MUC rooms, is there a recommended way to identify what rooms have (new) messages other than querying each of their mam archives and joining them?

Guus: there was https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0430.html but it looks like it never was fully completed

What was the thing where a MUC sends out notices to offline members?

Or, is that an un-XEP'd Tigase and Snikket thing?

Might not be it, but also https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0437.html

Zash: wasn't it https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0357.html but to register on a MUC instead of on your account?

hmm, all good suggestions, thanks.

3 XEPs enter the ring, one XEP exit.

and Tina Turner sings.

I see that your government mandated, Christian indoctrinated holiday has left you very, very well rested, Ge0rG... ;)

Guus: https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0437.html was for this and is implemented in Prosody and Converse.js. The goal was being "in" thousands of MUCs, and efficient discovery of which ones have unread activity.

MattJ: Yeah, I was reading that one with interest. It might be in a future Openfire release...

Mattj: I read XEP-0437 as: "the user MUST have joined a room at least once, before it will be send activity indicators for that room." Is that how it is intended?

I'd like to use it to send notifications for all rooms of the service, or a large subset - maybe those where the user is a member.

Oh, it's listed in the implementation notes.

There's also MUC mention notifications: https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0452.html

Hello all, for https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0004.html is there a formed opinion about if it is allow to have <reported/> and <field/> children both inside of <x/> at the same time?

That feels like it should be a one XOR the other.

Zash: I'd prefer if it weren't of course, but I agree that implementations seem to have treated it that way for the most part, but I'm having a hard time seeing from the spec anything one way or the other

Why?

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What sense does it make to have both single fields and multiple fields at the same time?

Why would I prefer it not be XOR? Because sometimes I want to report both a table of data and some fields as well. Such as "current account balance" + table of recent transactions

Use two separate <x> then?

Zash: in most places two x are considered alternatives not concatenations

Let's just remove <reported> entirely!

haha. then I need something to replace it with though :P