XSF Discussion - 2022-06-07


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  217. jcbrand > Christian indoctrination is everywhere. If you take this stance, then basically every national holiday is some form of indoctrination.
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  219. Ge0rG yeah, so it would be great to have holidays in a location not dominated by a single doctrine but to have a good mix. But this is getting really off topic now
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  221. thndrbvr ☝🏽
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  233. pep. In the UK, dunno if it was just my company or a general trend (somebody can confirm), I had to take a day off for public holidays (the amount was added to the pool of holidays I could take). Not entirely sure what the rationale was but I didn't have to take christian holidays as a side-effect.
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  236. Ge0rG pep.: so you were able to reschedule public holidays on your own terms?
  237. pep. Yeah
  238. Ge0rG cool
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  242. pep. And in general I'd stay in the office when nobody was in, because of course it's better :x
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  247. pep. (also.. holy-day. just for the ethymology check)
  248. Ge0rG I was thinking just that, and accidentally landed at the FSM Independence Day
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  370. Alex When you are a XSF member and have not voted in the current voting period then please take some time and do so. When you have any problems with memberbot then please contact me directly.
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  430. Guus When a client is interested in _many_ MUC rooms, is there a recommended way to identify what rooms have (new) messages other than querying each of their mam archives and joining them?
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  433. Ge0rG Guus: there was https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0430.html but it looks like it never was fully completed
  434. Zash What was the thing where a MUC sends out notices to offline members?
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  436. Zash Or, is that an un-XEP'd Tigase and Snikket thing?
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  438. Zash Might not be it, but also https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0437.html
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  440. Ge0rG Zash: wasn't it https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0357.html but to register on a MUC instead of on your account?
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  443. Guus hmm, all good suggestions, thanks.
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  445. Zash 3 XEPs enter the ring, one XEP exit.
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  449. Ge0rG and Tina Turner sings.
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  459. Guus I see that your government mandated, Christian indoctrinated holiday has left you very, very well rested, Ge0rG... ;)
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  461. MattJ Guus: https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0437.html was for this and is implemented in Prosody and Converse.js. The goal was being "in" thousands of MUCs, and efficient discovery of which ones have unread activity.
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  502. Guus MattJ: Yeah, I was reading that one with interest. It might be in a future Openfire release...
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  517. Guus Mattj: I read XEP-0437 as: "the user MUST have joined a room at least once, before it will be send activity indicators for that room." Is that how it is intended?
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  520. Guus I'd like to use it to send notifications for all rooms of the service, or a large subset - maybe those where the user is a member.
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  530. Guus Oh, it's listed in the implementation notes.
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  533. jcbrand There's also MUC mention notifications: https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0452.html
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  550. singpolyma Hello all, for https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0004.html is there a formed opinion about if it is allow to have <reported/> and <field/> children both inside of <x/> at the same time?
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  583. Zash That feels like it should be a one XOR the other.
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  585. singpolyma Zash: I'd prefer if it weren't of course, but I agree that implementations seem to have treated it that way for the most part, but I'm having a hard time seeing from the spec anything one way or the other
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  588. Zash Why?
  589. emus *The XMPP Newsletter May 2022* https://xmpp.org/2022/06/the-xmpp-newsletter-may-2022/ Fosstodon: https://fosstodon.org/web/@xmpp/108437205142418914 Twitter: https://twitter.com/xmpp/status/1522997494451367937 Mail send via newsletter@xmpp.org --> consider to make a spam exception here
  590. Zash What sense does it make to have both single fields and multiple fields at the same time?
  591. singpolyma Why would I prefer it not be XOR? Because sometimes I want to report both a table of data and some fields as well. Such as "current account balance" + table of recent transactions
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  593. Zash Use two separate <x> then?
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  604. singpolyma Zash: in most places two x are considered alternatives not concatenations
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  606. Zash Let's just remove <reported> entirely!
  607. singpolyma haha. then I need something to replace it with though :P
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