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lovetox
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the whole timeorderer UUID thing that is now standardised, would this not be a good time to think about if we could use this as a MAM extension?
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or maybe first think about if this can be of use in xmpp
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lovetox
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since i know mam, i would wish that mam messages had some kind of ordering that does not depend of the order it is received
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something i can write to a database, and simply sort on that
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lovetox
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its non trivial to sync a archive to harddisk, while keeping the order, while allowing to only sync parts and not the whole archive
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lovetox: I think it's too late to mandate sortable IDs. Would it be useful if it was optional but the server indicates that sortable IDs were in use?
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Are there even IDs?
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lovetox
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hm .. as messasges from different archives never mix in the same chat, i would simply store the feature beside the archive , and would know to treat this differently
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but the question would be if already active archives ever could switch
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lovetox
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probably not
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or they could if they have not a "forever" retention
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hm .. no that would be no good, if i have the messages on the harddisk and suddenly the server feature changes
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there is probably no upgrade path here
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singpolyma, what do you mean, of course we have MAM IDs
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https://support.google.com/talk/?hl=en
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Huh I thought that happened years ago
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I even thoght it was before 2017 🤷
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My dad has been using it still
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They've been shutting down bits and pieces. Federation is long gone, but it worked for a long time after it was supposed to be turned off.
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They're shutting down password auth on basically ball their apis, which is probably what this is
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