XSF Discussion - 2022-06-12

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19:13:31 lovetox the whole timeorderer UUID thing that is now standardised, would this not be a good time to think about if we could use this as a MAM extension?
19:14:25 lovetox or maybe first think about if this can be of use in xmpp
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19:15:08 lovetox since i know mam, i would wish that mam messages had some kind of ordering that does not depend of the order it is received
19:15:16 lovetox something i can write to a database, and simply sort on that
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19:16:03 lovetox its non trivial to sync a archive to harddisk, while keeping the order, while allowing to only sync parts and not the whole archive
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19:21:13 MattJ lovetox: I think it's too late to mandate sortable IDs. Would it be useful if it was optional but the server indicates that sortable IDs were in use?
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19:26:34 singpolyma Are there even IDs?
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19:27:27 lovetox hm .. as messasges from different archives never mix in the same chat, i would simply store the feature beside the archive , and would know to treat this differently
19:27:57 lovetox but the question would be if already active archives ever could switch
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19:28:07 lovetox probably not
19:28:23 lovetox or they could if they have not a "forever" retention
19:29:03 lovetox hm .. no that would be no good, if i have the messages on the harddisk and suddenly the server feature changes
19:29:09 lovetox there is probably no upgrade path here
19:29:47 lovetox singpolyma, what do you mean, of course we have MAM IDs
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20:08:57 edhelas https://support.google.com/talk/?hl=en
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20:27:44 moparisthebest Huh I thought that happened years ago
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20:46:36 TheCoffeMaker I even thoght it was before 2017 🤷
20:47:39 singpolyma My dad has been using it still
20:48:30 Zash They've been shutting down bits and pieces. Federation is long gone, but it worked for a long time after it was supposed to be turned off.
20:51:33 singpolyma They're shutting down password auth on basically ball their apis, which is probably what this is
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