XSF Discussion - 2022-06-12

the whole timeorderer UUID thing that is now standardised, would this not be a good time to think about if we could use this as a MAM extension?

or maybe first think about if this can be of use in xmpp

since i know mam, i would wish that mam messages had some kind of ordering that does not depend of the order it is received

something i can write to a database, and simply sort on that

its non trivial to sync a archive to harddisk, while keeping the order, while allowing to only sync parts and not the whole archive

lovetox: I think it's too late to mandate sortable IDs. Would it be useful if it was optional but the server indicates that sortable IDs were in use?

Are there even IDs?

hm .. as messasges from different archives never mix in the same chat, i would simply store the feature beside the archive , and would know to treat this differently

but the question would be if already active archives ever could switch

probably not

or they could if they have not a "forever" retention

hm .. no that would be no good, if i have the messages on the harddisk and suddenly the server feature changes

there is probably no upgrade path here

singpolyma, what do you mean, of course we have MAM IDs

https://support.google.com/talk/?hl=en

Huh I thought that happened years ago

I even thoght it was before 2017 🤷

My dad has been using it still

They've been shutting down bits and pieces. Federation is long gone, but it worked for a long time after it was supposed to be turned off.

They're shutting down password auth on basically ball their apis, which is probably what this is