MattJhttps://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0163.html#publish - that's where it's required for PEP
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ZashHm, https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/rfc5802#section-6.1 is weird with tls-unique being obsolete-ish
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moparisthebest> Servers MUST implement the "tls-unique" [RFC5929] channel binding type, if they implement any channel binding.
that's weird wording in general
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GuusI might have asked this before, but are there any re-usable BOSH-related load test implementations available anywhere?
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SamGuus: I'm not sure if they were ever open sourced or still exist, but HipChat had some. You might try digging around in Atlassians old archived repos on GitHub.
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moparisthebestare there non-BOSH-related load test implementations?
KevMultiple, but it depends what it is you want to load test.
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GuusI only want to do some smoke-testing, with a little bit more than one client.
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GuusSam, any suggestions for https://github.com/orgs/atlassian/repositories?q=&type=all&language=&sort= ?
Guusnone of these give relevant results: bosh bind load xmpp jabber
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SamI dunno, I don't even remember what they were written in, sorry. Probably didn't end up open sourced.
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Guusnp, thanks
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moparisthebestwhat I was getting at is if there are non-BOSH load testers, and you could find an xmpp->bosh proxy, you could run them through that
moparisthebestI know the opposite direction exists but unsure about that direction
MattJGuus, Tsung used to be a popular choice
GuusMattJ, does that do BOSH?
MattJIt does HTTP and it does XMPP, I can't remember if it does BOSH specifically
Guusstackoverflow says yes
GuusI hadn't considered. THanks
MattJiirc it's extensible (but that may require erlang coding)
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moparisthebesthey says right here it supports BOSH http://tsung.erlang-projects.org/1/01/about/#xmpp-jabber
moparisthebestand websockets, this might be fun to compare connection methods with
GuusI obviously first looked at StackOverflow before the author's site.
moparisthebestof course
Guusthere's bound to be a docker image for this...
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arcWill there be a board meeting today?
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HolgerBTW https://github.com/processone/rtb is kind of a successor to Tsung, it tries harder to produce 'realistic' workloads, but it doesn't do BOSH/WebSocket.
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arcIs anyone else here for it?
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arc🙁 doesn't look like it
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moparisthebestwhy don't you ping them ?
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arcRalphm: here?
moparisthebestit's ralphm , some clients are picky with caps, some not
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ZashMattJ?
arcAt this point it doesn't look like it. I need to get to work
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ZashIf the chair doesn't show up for 15 minutes you're legally allowed to go to work
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arcChair hasn't been to a meeting in more than a month. I'm already walking to work
MattJarc, I think we're all agreed about giving up on weekly meetings? (per email discussion)
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arcThere needs to be a proposal and a vote
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ZashAnd minutes!
arcAnd to go with that the calendar event needs to be removed
arcExactly. We are an American 501c3 with an international board. There are rules and auditing.
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Peter could go into more detail, but if the IRS investigates we need to have all our i's dotted and t's crossed. Until a official decision we still have weekly meetings every Thursday
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arcOf course there's no legal requirement for weekly meetings. We could have annual meetings, even.
ZashAs a Swede, I often wonder where all the real meeting bureaucracy is hiding. Where are the two meeting minutes checkers who double check and attest to the meeting minutes?!
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arcThat is a problem yes
arcBut biggest, we as a board representing body corporate decided on weekly meetings. To change that we need an official decision under the current parameters.
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arcOne of the things to discuss is that this change would move from every meeting being open and public, to every "meeting" being private behind closed doors, because the board list is only for board members.
MattJEveryone on board has now agreed to my proposal to switch to email to conduct business
MattJExcept you, I think?
MattJIf you have concerns, share them
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MattJProbably via email is best :)
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MattJI'm also open to hearing other proposals
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MattJThe only alternatives I see are 1) continue to fail to conduct any business because meetings don't happen, 2) dissolve the XSF
MattJMost organizations do not have weekly board meetings, I personally think that is a little excessive anyway
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MattJWhat matters is whether we can get stuff done, not how many meetings we have. We can just as easily meet our obligations to the organization without using XMPP to conduct our discussions.
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MattJI do agree about taking stuff private though - the vast majority of what we discuss can and should be public. We've agreed in the past that members@ would be a suitable venue.
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MattJWe might want to revisit that, e.g. a public read-only list (for non-board) that's separate
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singpolymaJust have a board@ muc that is only for business where only board gets voice. Open the meeting on the first, close on the 29th and snapshot log as minutes. Monthly meeting a month long!
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GuusI was just going to suggest that.
ZashThat has existed forever but I'm not sure anything has ever been said there
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GuusI by no means think that this is a better idea - but it might be middle ground between 'live chat' and 'email'.
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MattJI don't want to speak for anyone else, but if the issue is scheduling time, email is nice because it acts as a to-do... I can organize threads, flag them, mark them as unread, etc. if I know they require some action from me. I feel like I could easily lose chat messages (I mean, it happens to me all the time)
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Guusperfectly reasonable
GuusIn unrelated news: Bosh with Tsung works.
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Guusthanks for that.
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MattJYay
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KevFWIW, as a person who complains when Board stuff happens in private, either of the above proposals (board@ MUC or a public board@ mailing list where most stuff happens) would keep me happy.
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pep.If I were a member I would also very much complain if stuff went even more private, as I did in the past already
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KevI don't think anyone's suggesting making things more private - I was just pre-emptively *not* complaining about either of the suggestions :)
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moparisthebestI like the board@ muc better than email for dogfooding reasons but as long as you don't take it to discord or something I won't complain :D
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ZashWe just need a XEP to solve the timezone issue
KevAs an uninformed outsider, I don't think timezones are the issue with Board meeting at the moment.
moparisthebestA muc handles messages from different timezones just as well as email
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Ellenor Malikwe need a xep for mail over xmpp
Ellenor Malik(not kidding)
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pep.I guess with emails at least there is some kind of rich markup (/s)
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moparisthebestno there isn't, only sickos write HTML emails
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pep.There's no standard whatsoever, not everyone accepts the same subset, but at least there's a wire format that isn't dependent on the input format :)
singpolymaEllenor Malik: what do you think we are currently lacking to get this use case?
Ellenor Malikreally nothing, actually
Ellenor Malik> I wrote:
> (not kidding)
This was a lie.
singpolyma😂
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singpolymaCertainly there's no client focussed on this use case. I think you need the old archiving xep to get good "mail folders" stuff also, at least if you want IMAP like sync. Of course nothing stops us from just using IMAP for that ;)
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SamIIRC the IRS does require regular public board meetings (but not weekly). I think it's at least quarterly, but don't hold me to that number.