XSF Discussion - 2022-06-27

  1. lovetox

    message retraction is complicated

  2. lovetox

    if it only were client to client, it would be more of a user choice

  3. Link Mauve

    It is client to client though.

  4. lovetox

    nope not if the server supports it

  5. lovetox

    then suddenly its not the clients choice anymore, rather the server decides which messages it deletes from MAM and in what timeframe

  6. Zash

    server support is optional tho?

  7. lovetox

    and it gets more complicated, if client and servers have different timeframes etc

  8. lovetox

    actually my first idea is to remove server support for that

  9. lovetox

    like i dont see why we would need that

  10. lovetox

    its also weird to let a remote instance controle messages in your server archive

  11. Link Mauve

    lovetox, the reason for server to be optionally involved, is if it wants to actually remove the messages from the archive, instead of keeping them forever alongside the retraction.

  12. lovetox

    but you cant choose Link Mauve ...

  13. lovetox

    if the server supports it, i send you 50 retractions, the server will not ask you if you want them gone from the archive

  14. lovetox

    they are just gone

  15. Guus

    Did the jabber.org cert expire?

  16. Zash

    It did

  17. Link Mauve

    lovetox, the server admin wanted that.

  18. Link Mauve

    If not they wouldn’t have enabled it.

  19. lovetox

    and which server admin would make that decision?! and why?

  20. Zash

    the ones who enable every module they can find?

  21. moparisthebest

    only the ones that make the checkmark green or the % go up !

  22. wurstsalat

    let me tell you about XEP-0258 and that green check mark in Gajim ;)

  23. moparisthebest

    oh... oh no https://quicwg.org/quic-v2/draft-ietf-quic-v2.html

  24. moparisthebest

    actually it's fine, just trying valiantly to avoid middleboxes breaking everything in the future... good luck