XSF Discussion - 2022-06-29

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14:50:50 goffi We are missing a way to specify an element in a pubsub item in XEP-0372: it's usable out of the box to mention somebody in a XEP-0277 blog post, but we can't specify the substring.
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14:54:52 goffi I would love to be able to specify something like `element=entry{http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom}/title'
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14:56:29 MattJ XPath is knocking at the door, the windows, and trying to climb down the chimney
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14:57:55 goffi yes of course XPath would be great. At least a simplified version.
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15:01:58 goffi For pubsub mentions, maybe it would be simpler to just do something specific to XEP-0277.
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15:05:58 goffi `element="title" type="text"`, `element="content" type="xhtml"`
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15:25:00 Guus What is the expected Connection Manager behavior if a BOSH client sends a 'pause' value that's higher than the 'maxpause' value?
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15:26:09 Guus terminate/policy-violation ?
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15:31:27 Guus or https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0124.html#errorstatus-recover ?
15:32:21 Guus although replaying it doesn't make sense.
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21:57:14 lovetox could we not communicate some kind of hash in the disco info for the pep notify features
21:57:24 lovetox then the server could know what we last received
21:57:43 lovetox and does not need to send us the same info all the time again on going online
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21:59:22 lovetox or maybe the timestamp we received the last notify
21:59:41 lovetox http://jabber.org/protocol/tune+notify@2022-07-01T12:23Z
22:00:08 lovetox then the server can check if there was a update to the node since then
22:00:15 Zash https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0312.html ?
22:02:09 lovetox hm same idea, but the solution seems much more fragile
22:02:50 lovetox when communicating the timestamp its the last timestamp when the client received something from that node
22:03:30 Zash is per-node needed?
22:03:44 antranigv has left
22:03:48 lovetox yes
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22:04:04 lovetox time since last connecting is too fragile
22:04:15 lovetox there is no indication for a client when a pubsub catchup was or is complete
22:04:24 lovetox server can be down while i come online
22:04:49 lovetox then i go offline, server comes online, i come online, and send, last onlince since 2 seconds
22:04:58 lovetox server determines, no updates in the last 2 seconds
22:05:07 lovetox but missed me coming online 20 times before
22:05:13 Zash who is "server" here?
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22:05:29 lovetox ~~the remote server from which want updates~~ ✎
22:05:37 lovetox the remote server from which i want updates ✏
22:05:49 Zash is there only one?
22:06:31 lovetox no, but the example was about one that is down
22:07:11 lovetox i come online, i tell you my last logout time was 100 seconds ago, but this nice presence never reaches the remote server because its in maintainence
22:07:19 lovetox then i reconnect
22:07:25 lovetox and so last logout time = 2 seconds
22:07:31 lovetox now this presence reaches the remote
22:07:35 lovetox and it sends me nothing
22:08:29 lovetox further there is no indication for a client that a pubsub catchup is complete
22:08:45 lovetox so i cant even delay my reseting the last logout time
22:08:52 lovetox what if i crash while connecting?
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22:09:12 lovetox did i crash befor i got all pubsub notifications? or after?
22:09:41 lovetox i see stale info with this approach everywhere
22:10:20 lovetox advantage is, i would not have to store last received timestamps
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