XSF Discussion - 2022-08-12

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  130. flow well, a lot of the same technical and social discussions/issues surface in multiple communities, like the discourse discussion ;)
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  147. emus Great discussion and I think the solution is great too, incl. no renewals anymore
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  199. wurstsalat My first proposal would be: remove all entries in {clients,servers,libraries}.json for which last_updated is "null". These entries haven't been shown anyway since 2017.
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  202. wurstsalat Then I'd check entries for which "last_renewed" is set, and if they don't provide a DOAP file themselves, add a bare-minimum DOAP file to host on xmpp.org
  203. flow what's the advantage of removing them, it only seems to make it harder to re-add them
  204. flow what's the advantage of removing them? it only seems to make it harder to re-add them
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  207. MattJ Yeah, I'm not sure about removing them either, if links still work, etc.
  208. MattJ By all means bury them as inactive
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  210. wurstsalat flow, less DOAP files to write. But yes, in the end they could be displayed in a separate "Inactive" section
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  215. flow if they are hidden anyways, then you don't have to write DOAP files for them, no?
  216. wurstsalat flow, but I want to get rid of the "platforms" and "url" keys in the long run. this info would be lost, if not transferred to a DOAP file
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  218. flow hmm, I do not have immediate plans to write a DOAP for Smack but would like to keep it listed, and ideally with a URL to the project's homepage and mentioned the supported platforms.
  219. flow Not because I don't like DOAPs, I find the idea appealing, but because I just don't have time, and writing DOAPs is currently a category C todo item for me
  220. wurstsalat flow, that's why we want to host bare-minimum DOAP files for projects which don't provide one. That lets us simplify the processing
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  230. wurstsalat this includes name, shortdesc, website, os, (logo)
  231. flow ahh ok, so the status-quo for smack remains the same without me having to lift a finger? I think I *could* life with that :)
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  233. wurstsalat yeah, that's the plan
  234. Menel Wherr on xmpp.org can I even see the benefits of the fancy DOAP data? From the main page I can only find https://xmpp.org/software/clients/ But that's only a name, logo and link to project.
  235. wurstsalat Menel, atm, logo and short description are the only benefits. but that'll be extended soon
  236. Menel I see, thanks
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  250. Zash I imagined a boring list at the bottom of the page for all the other items. Maybe hidden behind a <details>
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  252. emus flow: I still think your project should have a doap - cmon its smack!
  253. emus > Zash wrote: > I imagined a boring list at the bottom of the page for all the other items. Maybe hidden behind a <details> *roll eyes*
  254. emus compliance Badges!
  255. Guus > flow: I still think your project should have a doap - cmon its smack! We welcome your contribution? 😉
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  257. emus 😃 do you actually list supported xeps somewhere at all?
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  263. flow we do
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  265. emus flow: where?
  266. flow https://github.com/igniterealtime/Smack/blob/master/documentation/extensions/index.md
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  324. vanitasvitae flow, emus: I think I have a Smack branch somewhere where I started writing a DOAP file, but that branch is probably horribly outdated.
  325. singpolyma "supported xeps" is such an interesting concept. I guess with a library it is probably more clear, but with a client it is often borderline meaningless
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  327. emus is fine but then send it to me :-)
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  333. emus singpolyma: how else should you review compliance?
  334. singpolyma emus: not sure what you mean?
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  337. emus based on the listed client xeps you can elaborate ita compliance
  338. singpolyma Can you though? It depends on several people's interpretation of "supporting a xep" and "compliance"
  339. Menel I think one can construct meaningless examples. But in reality its quite clear. Can it do http upload or not.. Etc
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  341. singpolyma Menel: some are clearer that others for sure. Http upload is a great example of a pretty clear one
  342. Kev HTTP's a great example of one that's very muddy.
  343. Kev HTTP upload's a great example of one that's very muddy.
  344. singpolyma Though even there... What does the client use http upload *for*? You can probably guess by what is common, but...
  345. Kev Because the XEP requires being able to set cookies on a per-request basis, which is ... not straightforward in a web client.
  346. Kev So people will very reasonably skip that bit. And then some day someone needs it, finds out the client that claimed to support HTTP Upload doesn't, and ... muddy.
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  349. singpolyma Kev: right partial compliance is common. For example, everyone claims to support data forms just because they have a parser for it, maybe use it in ibr. But the xep allows for data forms being send in messages and tracked by thread ID... I've not found a client that supports that will yet. So do they "support" data forms or not?
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  351. singpolyma Kev: right partial compliance is common. For example, everyone claims to support data forms just because they have a parser for it, maybe use it in ibr. But the xep allows for data forms being send in messages and tracked by thread ID... I've not found a client that supports that well yet. So do they "support" data forms or not?
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  363. emus I know its not perfect but I believe its the best step in the right direction.
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  366. MSavoritias (fae,ve) I agree we need some ways to show it to whoever ends up on the page. People still install pidgin because they are not "in the know" for example
  367. emus One thing I try to improve in general in XMPP is central communication, thats why I support this.
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