XSF Discussion - 2022-09-10

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  117. Guus Is there someone here that can give the website build a push, for me not to have to wait 24h to see if my doap changes made any difference? If so: pretty please?
  118. Guus (if not, I'll fake patience)
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  120. emus Guus: I think it builds ever hour currently
  121. Guus ah, that's pretty good. I thought it was 24h. Nevermind then :)
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  123. emus Guus: if need are more deep discussion ping wurst salat
  124. emus cool that you support this approach
  125. Guus 'support' / 'be pressured into' :)
  126. Guus "I want shiny things!"
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  148. MattJ Guus: ping me if they're not live an hour after you pushed them
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  151. Guus will do, thanks
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  155. emus > Guus: > 2022-09-10 08:47 (GMT+02:00) > 'support' / 'be pressured into' :) > "I want shiny things!" one still can have simple limited file
  156. Guus To be clear: I've not pushed changes to the XSF website: I pushed changes to Openfire's DOAP file, which is in a different repository (also, these changes aim to fix the rendering issue on the XSF website, but I can't be sure if I fixed it. There is a chance that the changes _were_ picked up, but didn't fix anything).
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  158. emus I believe thats the setup
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  160. MattJ Guus: ahh, sorry, I misunderstood. My guess is it probably won't be picked up until there are changes. I'll have a look in a bit.
  161. Guus Thanks MattJ. Nothing of this is end-of-the-world important (and I'll be off soon anyways). If you do find the time to give something a push, that'd be great - if not, then I'll see it pop up at some point in the future.
  162. Guus (it has been pretty much an hour, and no changes are visible, fwiw)
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  164. emus wurstsalat:
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  170. wurstsalat Website builds every 24 h (or manually) deploys every hour. MattJ you can trigger a manual build via github actions tab > workflows > website build > run manually
  171. wurstsalat I'll be back on sunday ;)
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  173. MattJ ๐Ÿ‘
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  176. Guus Oh, I can apparently request a manual build myself.
  177. Guus (is that intended?)
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  305. Maranda Huho
  306. Maranda Feeds went crazy again
  307. Maranda (RSS that is)
  308. Maranda https://aria.im/_matrix/media/v1/download/aria-net.org/HsAIdQttvvQQrNtZFTrlNgrq
  309. MattJ Maranda, how often does that poll?
  310. MattJ I accidentally deployed an old version of the site for ~2 minutes
  311. Maranda Each 5 minutes iirc
  312. MattJ Bad luck
  313. MattJ Anyway, sorry!
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  315. Maranda Indeed
  316. Maranda ๐Ÿคฃ
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  349. MattJ guus.der.kinderen, https://xmpp.org/software/servers/openfire/ :)
  350. MattJ Managed to force a redeployment
  351. MattJ I have an idea to ensure DOAPs are refreshed periodically even without other website changes
  352. guus.der.kinderen Ah, the logo is there now! Thanks! The XEP links still don't render though. ๐Ÿคจ
  353. MattJ Okay, it will now pull from DOAPs daily (or whenever website changes are made)
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  355. MattJ And for clarification: the stuff on Github is not at all connected to actual website deployments
  356. MattJ Although it would be nice to have some UI for forcing deployment, it's not trivial to link up
  357. MattJ So that stuff is mostly useful for sanity-checking PRs and such
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  363. Maranda has to still look at the DOAP stuff for Metronome ๐Ÿ˜”
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  366. guus.der.kinderen Thanks MattJ!
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  476. emus Maranda looking forward!
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  498. wurstsalat Why not take the github build artifact, extract it, copy the nginx config, and be done? Now we have two layers of building the website, and the one on the server isn't transparent for outsiders/me
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  505. MattJ wurstsalat: automating the locating and downloading of the artifact is not trivial
  506. MattJ It requires interfacing with the Github API, permissions and as far as I can see, OAuth (there used to be a way to generate API keys without doing the OAuth dance but I couldn't find it or it only applies to individual accounts and not orgs)
  507. MattJ Either way, it's not as simple as "just take the artefact"
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  509. thilo.molitor MattJ: why not use a github action for this? In an action you automatically have access to the repo and any build artifacts you create...
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  511. mathieui thilo.molitor: you mean, giving write access on the server to github actions?
  512. thilo.molitor For monal we are using a build pipeline built upon github actions to automatically build a new monal release and upload it to apple for every push/merge onto the stable branch...that works great...
  513. thilo.molitor mathieui: you don't need write access to the whole server, a script (php, whatever) on the server given a zip file and extracting it to the proper location would suffice...using a github secret to guard it against zip uploads not coming from the github action...
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  515. thilo.molitor You could even run a github actions runner on a server of your choice and only give that server access to the website upload...that way you don't even need to give github the upload secret...
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  517. MattJ thilo.molitor: it's a GitHub action that produces the artifact in the first place. It's just a matter of getting the build from Github to the server.
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  519. MattJ Which works fine via git pull right now
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  521. thilo.molitor MattJ: usually I try to use push semantics instead of pull...but yes, doing periodic pulls should be fine too :)
  522. MattJ I don't see an hourly git pull as something that's broken enough for me to replace it with something more time-consuming and fragile, such as maintaining and securing a CI runner on the machine
  523. MattJ I try to do the same, but it's harder
  524. thilo.molitor I know
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  558. moparisthebest Personally I'm avoiding GitHub actions so I don't have to change anything when they inevitably start charging for them
  559. moparisthebest Burn me once (travis-ci) shame on you, burn me twice shame on me
  560. MattJ Yeah, I don't like dependencies on free CI for the same reason
  561. MattJ We had the same with Docker Hub as well already
  562. MattJ After more than half a year they did finally approve us as an open-source project
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  607. Maranda[x] > Maranda looking forward! I have a stack of packed hardware next to my desk at work to do... which is now almost as tall as me ๐Ÿคฆ
  608. Maranda[x] > Maranda looking forward! I have a stack of packed hardware next to my desk at work to do... which is now almost as tall as me emus ๐Ÿคฆ
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  610. Maranda[x] So whenever I manage to dive out of it ๐Ÿ˜…
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  629. emus Maranda[x]: I understand
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  678. flow MattJ, in a similar situation, I do a git fetch every 5 minutes (I think even every minute would be fine) and check if the commit of a remote ref has changed. Would that be possible here?
  679. MattJ What are we trying to solve? That sounds pretty much like what we're already doing.
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  682. flow IIRC guus had to wait up to an hour to see the results of this change, reducing that to minutes seems like a good idea
  683. flow IIRC guus had to wait up to an hour to see the results of his change, reducing that to minutes seems like a good idea
  684. MattJ Guus wasn't actually modifying the xmpp.org repo
  685. MattJ So even with a reduced polling frequency, nothing would have happened
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  951. thilo.molitor how is the compliance level determined here: https://xmpp.org/software/clients/monal-im/
  952. thilo.molitor is this something I'll have to add to my doap file?
  953. Zash using https://code.zash.se/compliancer/ which checks the doap for the XEPs mentioned in a compliance suite
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  967. Zash `<category rdf:resource="https://linkmauve.fr/ns/xmpp-doap#category-client"/>` seems to be missing from a few clients to indicate that it's a clients doap file, no idea if that's why it doesn't show any compliance levels for a few clients or if there's something else
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  976. MattJ The new renderings are great, but once we get a good handle on representing the compliance levels, we should bury the verbose XEP list a bit further I think (either collapse it by default or move to a second page for technical details)
  977. thilo.molitor Zash: I did not find any client having a compliance level (but I did not check all)
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  979. Zash Wasn't there a plan to have those designed badges?
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  981. MattJ As it is, it looks like we expect users to read and understand that stuff. It kind of plays into what people *say* using XMPP requires
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  984. Zash thilo.molitor, https://xmpp.org/software/clients/dino/
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  995. thilo.molitor Zash: okay, I added the cathegory-client stuff now...MattJ: the site is automatically rerendered every hour, right?
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  997. MattJ DOAPs will be refreshed daily, unless someone commits a change to the site
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  1011. thilo.molitor MattJ ah okay...do you know which timestamp?
  1012. wurstsalat thilo.molitor: you can run the Compliancer tool manually as well https://code.zash.se/compliancer/
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  1019. thilo.molitor wurstsalat: I don't know how to run / what dependencies to install to make it run...the makefile outputs an error: $make squish --use-http make: squish: No such file or directory make: *** [GNUmakefile:7: compliance] Error 127
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  1022. thilo.molitor is it this tool over here? https://github.com/LuaDist/squish
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  1024. thilo.molitor never mind, it is and the compliance tester works now :)
  1025. Zash http://code.matthewwild.co.uk/squish/
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  1033. thilo.molitor for the next compliance suite we should discuss if we really want to require Private XML Storage (XEP-0049), Jingle File Transfer (XEP-0234) and Jingle In-Band Bytestreams Transport Method (XEP-0261) for advanced clients....at leas for Monal I won't ever implement any of these because it's not really required given that we have HTTP Upload and PEP...
  1034. singpolyma XML storage is a compatibility thing. If you don't have it you may just totally miss data from other clients. Jingle is pretty much essential if you transfer big files
  1035. thilo.molitor well, all data relevant to modern clients is mirrored to PEP nodes (bookmarks etc.) by modern servers...what important data could I miss if not implementing XML storage?
  1036. thilo.molitor big files is a valid argument for jingle file transfer, though...
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  1047. Zash thilo.molitor, "complete" XEP-0045 implementation? somehow I doubt this
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  1086. thilo.molitor Zash: the compliance suite says in [footnote 45](https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0459.html#nt-idm46436970603904): Support for the Entity Use Cases and Occupant Use Cases is REQUIRED; support for the remaining use cases is RECOMMENDED.
  1087. thilo.molitor Monal supports the REQUIRED parts (we are still working at the remaining cases, though)
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  1094. Zash Next time you look, you will surely find additional requirements! ๐Ÿ˜›
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  1098. thilo.molitor Zash: haha :D to be honest I did not know if your compliance tester would accept a "partial" there (I changed the doap before I got it to run on my laptop).
  1099. thilo.molitor But it seems it's accepting a "partial", too...so changing this back to partial is fine with me, even if Monal technically meets the requirements detailed in the footnote...
  1100. Zash IIRC it's mostly checking for e.g. "removed"
  1101. Zash Ah, status=planned|wontfix or <until> discounts a XEP, otherwise it's considered Good Enough
  1102. thilo.molitor interesting...I'll change 0045 back to partial then, that feels better :)
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  1108. Zash It was half joking fwiw. https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0453.html doesn't seem to explain 'partial' and 'complete' so it might be up to interpretation anyway.
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  1123. thilo.molitor Zash: partial still feels better :) I changed it to "complete" in the first place only because I did not want the compliance tester to not even give IM Core level to monal...that would have been an understatement ;)
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