XSF Discussion - 2022-09-23


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  248. bhavy Hello everyone, can anyone help me with creating the wiki account?
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  252. moparisthebest Alex perhaps^
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  263. Alex You can send me an email with your preferred nickname to gnauck@gmail.com and I can create an account later today in my evening
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  296. bhavy Alright, thank you.
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  307. Guus I can do it _right now_
  308. Guus I just need your preferred nickname and an email address
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  313. bhavy > : I can do it _right now
  314. bhavy Now I am confused, I already sent the details to sir @Alex
  315. bhavy Should I send it to you too right now?
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  326. bhavy Should I send it to you too right now sir @Guss ?
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  347. Guus bhavy: I have created a new account for you on the wiki. You should have received a confirmation email in your mailbox.
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  349. Guus Alex and me can both create these accounts. I just thought I'd help you immediately, since I was available now.
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  351. Guus But then, I got dragged into a meeting and failed to respond to you, causing confusion. Apologies :)
  352. bhavy Ok, thank you.
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  355. bhavy > bhavy: I have created a new account for you on the wiki. You should have received a confirmation email in your mailbox. Yes, I did thanks once again :)
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  763. edhelas goffi, I just had a look at Event
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  766. edhelas It's quite interesting but I'd really prefer to break it down in several small xeps, lots of features seems to be a bit optional and I'd prefer to have different namespaces for those features
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  769. edhelas I'm always afraid of big xeps like that because you tend to have many different implementations level in the wild
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  781. goffi edhelas: it's not like pubsub, except <start/>, <end/> and <name/>, everything is optional. It's just metadata that your client show or not, but it doesn't really hurt to not have them. While I agree that some feature could be split in sepate XEP (mainly RSVP actually), the issue with doing many XEPs is that it increases the workload, and I have already an heavy enough load.
  782. goffi and in the case of events, I'm not convinced that it really worth it.
  783. goffi for pubsub attachments it may make more sense
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  810. singpolyma Is there an XML of vevent like for vcard4?
  811. Zash singpolyma, https://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc6321
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  816. edhelas On my side I was more thinking of simply attaching xCal to Atom publications, quite simple to do
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  819. singpolyma edhelas: yeah, that sounds ideal
  820. edhelas That would be perfect for https://mov.im/?node/pubsub.movim.eu/berlin-xmpp-meetup
  821. edhelas You create a publication and configure an event for it, like attaching a picture or a link
  822. edhelas And that's it
  823. edhelas In Movim I was planning to convert the xCal to iCal and allow then integration with mobiles/desktop agendas
  824. edhelas But it doesn't solve many of the topic addressed by goffi Event xep
  825. Zash Oh, new XEP?
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  827. singpolyma I will have to read the xep before having an actual opinion
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  829. goffi this XEP convert what I've been experimenting for years with libervia, and was necessary to convert ActivityPub events (from Mobilizon) in the gateway
  830. goffi it's staighforward to convert it to iCal or whatever, not a problem.
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  832. goffi anyway I have to go now, afk
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  836. Zash goffi, were you aware of RFC 6321?
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  944. goffi Zash: RFC 6321 is IMHO making the whole thing far more complex and difficult to implement, with its own set of data types and metadata. My proposal uses XMPP mechanisms and data specifications: geolocation is XEP-0080, file references are XEP-0447, RSVP is XEP-0004 + XEP-0470 comments are simply a link to a XEP-0277 node, permission are managed with pubsub permissions. Most of that is probably already implemented by clients and specified, no need to find a xCal/iCal parser (and it's easy to convert if necessary is ones want to export data).
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  946. goffi Also RSVP mechanism is based on existing XEPs and extensible with data forms. It would be more complicated to adapt an other xCal IMHO.
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  980. singpolyma Reusing is good, which is the main thing about using xcal. Reusing other xeps is also good. Main thing is to avoid new xmlns strings where possible
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  994. Zash All I want is a motivation to explain why existing things were not reused.
  995. Zash Sometimes it makes sense. Sometimes we just end up extending it until the prior existing thing has been reinvented.
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