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goffi
edhelas: I've read your "Pubsub social feed" proposal, I'm not super found of it to be honest, specially this "gallery profile" thing. What is the purpose of this, making photo albums ? That's ignoring all the work done with staless file sharing and all.
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goffi
Also I don't see a clear difference with XEP-0277. Anyway I've just sent an email with my comments.
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edhelas
PSF is basically a generalisation od 0277 to apply it to all the Pubsub nodes
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edhelas
Like I'm doing in Movim for 10 years
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edhelas
And to use the pubsub#type to categorize and have "profiles" for those nodes
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edhelas
Gallery is one of it (basically all the Atom must contain at least one picture attached)
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goffi
edhelas: XEP-0277 already states that the blog may be in any pubsub node (ยง 2.1)
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goffi
the gallery thing is a poor way of doing image gallery, we have had a lot of work done around thumbnails, stateless image sharing, encryption, etc.
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edhelas
I can drop galleries if you want, but today I have thousands of articles with <atom> content
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edhelas
And having a way to specify if the node is having articles that contains pictures is a simple and easy step to present them as a grid in clients for example, using metadata
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goffi
it's just my opinion, maybe others think differently. Let's see if anybody answer my email.
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goffi
using which metadata ? That one of the point actually, XEP-0447 handles metadata correctly (with XEP-0446)
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edhelas
The way Movim uses 0277 is basically publishing Atom on Pubsub nodes, and everything revolves around editing Atom elements
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goffi
here we just have a list of http links
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goffi
edhelas: yes I understand, but that's already what XEP-0277 does
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edhelas
I don't see any issues having 0447 beside
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edhelas
Also 0447 is more message based
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goffi
I'm affraid that we'll end up with 10 ways to do images galleries, and using atom for that feels right to me.
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edhelas
https://mov.im/?node/comics.movim.eu/SarahsScribbles
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edhelas
Even without further standardization, pushing Atom on Pubsub nodes is the way we are doing social networking on XMPP since the beginning
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goffi
edhelas: XEP-0447 structure can be used in <iq/> or pubsub out of the box, it's just use with <message/> there but it's really not a problem to use it elsewhere (I did it for Calendar Events for instance).
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edhelas
#gallery is a way to restrict those Atom nodes, but if there is issues with it I can remove it from the XEP
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edhelas
Just that I'd need a way to know how the node is configured
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goffi
edhelas: oh OK I understand better with the web comics use case, in this case it may make sense indeed.
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goffi
that's an edge case though
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edhelas
Because I'd like to allow users to create "image" nodes (like tumblr/instagram etc...) and then I'll adjust my Article publishing HTML form to have at least one image attached
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edhelas
And based on PSF we can have further XEP that add other kind of restrinctions
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edhelas
#videos to enforce video files attached, #torrents etc...
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goffi
edhelas: you're using atom, I think that somehting like instagram of whatever should use thumbnails and all, thus XEP-0447
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edhelas
So we need tools to download all the attachements of all the published RSS/Atom feeds on XMPP, create those thumbnails and then deliver them through 0447
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goffi
I have to go, will check standard@ later
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edhelas
For now my XEP is basically just use Atom as it, but we could have 0447 on top as an improvement for sure
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goffi
if you do instagrams like, the picture are uploaded by your users. As I've said, the web comics use case is an edge case.
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goffi
and having a full ATOM implementation for that doesn't seem right to me
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goffi
anyway I really have to go, thanks for your feedbacks.
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edhelas
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