XSF Discussion - 2022-10-26

edhelas: I've read your "Pubsub social feed" proposal, I'm not super found of it to be honest, specially this "gallery profile" thing. What is the purpose of this, making photo albums ? That's ignoring all the work done with staless file sharing and all.

Also I don't see a clear difference with XEP-0277. Anyway I've just sent an email with my comments.

PSF is basically a generalisation od 0277 to apply it to all the Pubsub nodes

Like I'm doing in Movim for 10 years

And to use the pubsub#type to categorize and have "profiles" for those nodes

Gallery is one of it (basically all the Atom must contain at least one picture attached)

edhelas: XEP-0277 already states that the blog may be in any pubsub node (§ 2.1)

the gallery thing is a poor way of doing image gallery, we have had a lot of work done around thumbnails, stateless image sharing, encryption, etc.

I can drop galleries if you want, but today I have thousands of articles with <atom> content

And having a way to specify if the node is having articles that contains pictures is a simple and easy step to present them as a grid in clients for example, using metadata

it's just my opinion, maybe others think differently. Let's see if anybody answer my email.

using which metadata ? That one of the point actually, XEP-0447 handles metadata correctly (with XEP-0446)

The way Movim uses 0277 is basically publishing Atom on Pubsub nodes, and everything revolves around editing Atom elements

here we just have a list of http links

edhelas: yes I understand, but that's already what XEP-0277 does

I don't see any issues having 0447 beside

Also 0447 is more message based

I'm affraid that we'll end up with 10 ways to do images galleries, and using atom for that feels right to me.

https://mov.im/?node/comics.movim.eu/SarahsScribbles

Even without further standardization, pushing Atom on Pubsub nodes is the way we are doing social networking on XMPP since the beginning

edhelas: XEP-0447 structure can be used in <iq/> or pubsub out of the box, it's just use with <message/> there but it's really not a problem to use it elsewhere (I did it for Calendar Events for instance).

#gallery is a way to restrict those Atom nodes, but if there is issues with it I can remove it from the XEP

Just that I'd need a way to know how the node is configured

edhelas: oh OK I understand better with the web comics use case, in this case it may make sense indeed.

that's an edge case though

Because I'd like to allow users to create "image" nodes (like tumblr/instagram etc...) and then I'll adjust my Article publishing HTML form to have at least one image attached

And based on PSF we can have further XEP that add other kind of restrinctions

#videos to enforce video files attached, #torrents etc...

edhelas: you're using atom, I think that somehting like instagram of whatever should use thumbnails and all, thus XEP-0447

So we need tools to download all the attachements of all the published RSS/Atom feeds on XMPP, create those thumbnails and then deliver them through 0447

I have to go, will check standard@ later

For now my XEP is basically just use Atom as it, but we could have 0447 on top as an improvement for sure

if you do instagrams like, the picture are uploaded by your users. As I've said, the web comics use case is an edge case.

and having a full ATOM implementation for that doesn't seem right to me

anyway I really have to go, thanks for your feedbacks.

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