XSF Discussion - 2022-11-01

  1. edhelas


  2. singpolyma

    It so strange how XMPP get listed in these things as "historical" as though we all went away and our protocol is unable to evolve

  3. Trung

    never heard of xmpp. have you try Cheogram yet, singpolyma ?

  4. singpolyma


  5. MattJ

    singpolyma, strange, and annoying

  6. MattJ

    A constant battle just to convince people that XMPP still exists, let alone that it isn't the same thing it was in 2006

  7. jonas’

    need rebranding every few years

  8. jonas’

    and a marketing budget greater than $10/month

  9. Kev

    We've got $10/month for marketing?

  10. jonas’

    I was rounding up from an estimated average for stickers and stuff we spent in the past decades

  11. MattJ

    I'm pretty sure if I got paid $1 for every time I had to tell someone XMPP isn't dead, I'd be on extended holiday by now :)

  12. jonas’

    but what is dead may never die!

  13. edhelas

    MattJ thanks for the support on HN :D

  14. edhelas

    Lots of Matrix guys over there :p

  15. MSavoritias (fae,ve)

    Well if you have money..

  16. singpolyma

    jonas’: any plans on how to spend it?

  17. jonas’

    singpolyma, hire a decent marketing person and let them figure thato tu

  18. jonas’

    I'm terrible at marketing and I hate marketing

  19. MattJ

    singpolyma, we did work on a proposal with someone to help with marketing, but it (and the general direction) wasn't supported by the community members whose work overlaps with that role, and we didn't pursue it further

  20. MattJ

    It's not easy to mix paid positions with volunteer work, even if the volunteer work is over-stretched

  21. MSavoritias (fae,ve)

    I think it was broght up the other day too that we could pay a tech writer to make a proposal like matrix to ietf group that was linked

  22. MSavoritias (fae,ve)

    That said an outreach/marketing person sounds also like a good idea.

  23. edhelas

    Extinction Rebellion France is looking to replace Signal and maybe Mattermost, los of folks are interested about XMPP there

  24. singpolyma

    jonas’: ah, so you need a full salary *and* the marketing budget ;)

  25. singpolyma

    > It's not easy to mix paid positions with volunteer work, even if the volunteer work is over-stretched Yes, this is a rather unfortunate problem

  26. Trung

    I can script a (film) serie for human and if there is enough budget for me to be a ~dictator~ director, I will do my best to force my crew to use XMPP do comunicate.

  27. Trung

    I'm not sure where you would publish it though apart from youtube.

  28. MSavoritias (fae,ve)

    > MattJ: > It's not easy to mix paid positions with volunteer work, even if the volunteer work is over-stretched It doesnt necesserily need to be a position imo. It can also be per task/project. That way it has a scope and it can be agreed upon before hand

  29. pep.

    edhelas: why XMPP? You lobbied there? :P

  30. edhelas

    No actually they talked about it

  31. pep.

    Maybe Snikket is interesting for their use-case? Do you have details?

  32. Daniel

    How about instead of marketing (what to whom?) we focus on fixing the editor situation?

  33. moparisthebest


  34. pep.

    Many things to do. And they can also probably be done in parallel

  35. Zash

    We the XSF? Very yes please.

  36. singpolyma

    Can someone summarize "the editor situation"?

  37. Zash

    singpolyma, it needs automating

  38. jonas’

    singpolyma, https://mail.jabber.org/pipermail/members/2022-October/009450.html

  39. jonas’

    so we're playing chicken again with the board & council applications?

  40. moparisthebest


  41. Zash

    as is tradition