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edhelas
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https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/bofreq-cooper-more-instant-messaging-interoperability/
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singpolyma
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It so strange how XMPP get listed in these things as "historical" as though we all went away and our protocol is unable to evolve
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never heard of xmpp. have you try Cheogram yet, singpolyma ?
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😅
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MattJ
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singpolyma, strange, and annoying
MattJ
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A constant battle just to convince people that XMPP still exists, let alone that it isn't the same thing it was in 2006
jonas’
13:28:55
need rebranding every few years
jonas’
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and a marketing budget greater than $10/month
Kev
13:29:16
We've got $10/month for marketing?
jonas’
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I was rounding up from an estimated average for stickers and stuff we spent in the past decades
MattJ
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I'm pretty sure if I got paid $1 for every time I had to tell someone XMPP isn't dead, I'd be on extended holiday by now :)
jonas’
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but what is dead may never die!
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MattJ thanks for the support on HN :D
edhelas
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Lots of Matrix guys over there :p
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Well if you have money..
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singpolyma
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jonas’: any plans on how to spend it?
jonas’
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singpolyma, hire a decent marketing person and let them figure thato tu
jonas’
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I'm terrible at marketing and I hate marketing
MattJ
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singpolyma, we did work on a proposal with someone to help with marketing, but it (and the general direction) wasn't supported by the community members whose work overlaps with that role, and we didn't pursue it further
MattJ
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It's not easy to mix paid positions with volunteer work, even if the volunteer work is over-stretched
MSavoritias (fae,ve)
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I think it was broght up the other day too that we could pay a tech writer to make a proposal like matrix to ietf group that was linked
MSavoritias (fae,ve)
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That said an outreach/marketing person sounds also like a good idea.
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Extinction Rebellion France is looking to replace Signal and maybe Mattermost, los of folks are interested about XMPP there
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jonas’: ah, so you need a full salary *and* the marketing budget ;)
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> It's not easy to mix paid positions with volunteer work, even if the volunteer work is over-stretched
Yes, this is a rather unfortunate problem
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I can script a (film) serie for human and if there is enough budget for me to be a ~dictator~ director, I will do my best to force my crew to use XMPP do comunicate.
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I'm not sure where you would publish it though apart from youtube.
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> MattJ:
> It's not easy to mix paid positions with volunteer work, even if the volunteer work is over-stretched
It doesnt necesserily need to be a position imo.
It can also be per task/project.
That way it has a scope and it can be agreed upon before hand
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edhelas: why XMPP? You lobbied there? :P
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No actually they talked about it
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Maybe Snikket is interesting for their use-case? Do you have details?
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Daniel
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How about instead of marketing (what to whom?) we focus on fixing the editor situation?
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^
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Many things to do. And they can also probably be done in parallel
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We the XSF? Very yes please.
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Can someone summarize "the editor situation"?
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singpolyma, it needs automating
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jonas’
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singpolyma, https://mail.jabber.org/pipermail/members/2022-October/009450.html
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jonas’
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so we're playing chicken again with the board & council applications?
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always
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as is tradition
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