XSF Discussion - 2022-11-05

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  613. Guus

    Fully aware that this might not be the sophistication looked for in tooling, but unless we're going to do this in Java, I gave doing XEP-0001 validation my best scripting shot in https://github.com/xsf/xeps/pull/1242

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  626. pep.

    I'm sad that no action is taken to find someone to replace editors while the dust is still in the air. Instead all I see is bandaids being applied here and there (maybe), or saying it's hard. I fear it'll come back to what it was when the dust settles

  627. pep.

    But I'm not surprised, we've seen this happening before

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  630. MattJ

    pep.: if you recall, Jonas's email specifically recommended against simply finding a replacement editor

  631. MattJ

    And I trust that judgement, based on who its coming from, and also my own perception of that role

  632. singpolyma

    Guus: looks like a pretty good start on that script. One thing I would note is that you don't seem to be using any bashisms so could use /bin/sh instead of /bin/bash -- I might suggest a shellcheck run to be sure, but I'm pretty confident

  633. singpolyma

    Yeah, it's my understanding that the perception is that the editor role hrs up to now mostly been a band-aid for not having a good build process so if we fix that the the editor role becomes much easier to fill

  634. singpolyma

    Yeah, it's my understanding that the perception is that the editor role has up to now mostly been a band-aid for not having a good build process so if we fix that the the editor role becomes much easier to fill

  635. singpolyma

    (where I say "we" for no good reason because I'm just lurking here not yet being very helpful :P)

  636. Guus

    singpolyma: you might very well be right. Can you leave your feedback on the PR please? I'd first like to get some feedback if this is a feasible approach, before investing more time on this particular implementation.

  637. singpolyma

    Yeah, I like the approach but I'm not an expert. I will try to remember to leave PR feedback if still relevant when I am next near a GitHub account

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  688. moparisthebest

    Guus: I think tooling in Java would be fine too

  689. moparisthebest

    It's going to end up running in a docker container anyway, who cares what binaries need to be in there

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  692. singpolyma

    For sure, write in whatever is easiest for you. But shell + xmllint does appear to be doing the job

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  704. Guus

    I don't think Java would be a particularly good choice for simple scripting. The overhead of compilation, dependencies, etc. is significant.

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  707. Guus

    MattJ, jonas’: if you can indicate if this isn't the wrong way to go about, then I'll try to finish this particular script.

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  709. Guus

    (Or anyone else that is likely to be involved in integrating this)

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  882. emus

    ok, then lets face it. what comes with setting up a contract?

  883. emus

    what does it need and why is it complicated?

  884. MattJ

    emus, first, who are we setting up a contract with?

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  888. MattJ

    Guus, a quick glance suggests this is great, exactly what we need - thanks!

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  891. MSavoritias (fae,ve)

    > MattJ: > emus, first, who are we setting up a contract with? If there is actually a consensus that we want to pursue this i bet we can find a person who knows how to set it up. I think the thing that we cant start looking for somebody on a maybe.

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  898. singpolyma

    > emus, first, who are we setting up a contract with? I think this is basically the only hard part. Finding someone and negotiating a rate. Like, I know there are several people in this room who do freelance or run consultancies (including me). So *maybe* we don't have to look far, but all depends on rate and what people are already doing, I dunno

  899. singpolyma

    But also so far it seems like at least a few people here are doing substantial parts of it for free so maybe we're playing checken with how far that will get first?

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  901. pep.

    If the XSF wanted it, we'd put the word out and interview people yeah, not entirely sure what's hard about it. If it happens we indeed don't find anybody for it then so be it. But let's not say it's too hard before something is even started

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  903. singpolyma

    pep.: Certainly not too hard, no

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  905. singpolyma

    But someone has to do it, it won't do itself

  906. MSavoritias (fae,ve)

    Yep. The thing is if the xsf doesnt want to hire we cant really start any searching. I just hope the volunteers are not over streched.

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  908. pep.

    Same here. It's not the first time this happens, and it won't be the last

  909. pep.

    And it's not just about editors

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  912. singpolyma

    For XSF to spend money I assume we need a board vote?

  913. MSavoritias (fae,ve)

    That would be my guess too

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  919. MattJ

    I'm pretty sure you'll find everyone on Board is on board with onboarding someone to work on this

  920. singpolyma

    MattJ: nice one

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  923. MattJ

    I don't really understand the comments about the XSF not wanting to hire. We've talked about it lots in the past, and it's something most people are in favour of

  924. MattJ

    By hire I mean as freelance, not becoming an employer

  925. MattJ

    That's a bigger line to cross, and it's pretty obvious not ready for that

  926. MattJ

    That's a bigger line to cross, and it's pretty obvious we're not ready for that

  927. MattJ

    Nor do I think we need it

  928. MattJ

    But short-term contracts for specific projects have been brought up many times and I don't think Board has ever said no to a concrete proposal

  929. MattJ

    But we rarely get concrete proposals

  930. MattJ

    Just "we should do this"

  931. MattJ

    Which is a statement most people agree with, but nobody can answer right now who we should hire (or interview), what they should do, or how much we pay them or for how long

  932. MattJ

    Managing contracts like that successfully is not without overhead

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  936. MattJ

    And right now I suspect if anyone is going to manage to organise such a contract, it's going to be me... most of the current board are not particularly active

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  938. MattJ

    But I also have the skills to do what's needed directly (if not the time)

  939. MattJ

    So I just made a start, it's the easiest and quickest option

  940. MattJ

    Not sustainable, but we don't necessarily need it to be

  941. MattJ

    I've been working with Jonas to refine what concrete work is needed to meet the requirements, and I think things are becoming a lot clearer now

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  943. MattJ

    If someone in the community were to raise their hand and say that they have the skills and are available to implement this (voluntarily or at a reasonable rate) I don't see any reason we wouldn't take up that offer

  944. MattJ

    Or if someone wants to perform the task of tracking someone down and getting contracts sorted, that would be a way forward too

  945. MattJ

    In the absence of either of those things happening, we'll just continue as we are, with volunteers doing what they can, when they can

  946. MattJ

    EOF, it's time for bed 🙂

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  951. pep.

    > If someone in the community were to raise their hand and say that they have the skills and are available to implement this (voluntarily or at a reasonable rate) I don't see any reason we wouldn't take up that offer What I'm saying is I think this is the wrong way around. The XSF decides to get somebody on board and put the word out, not the other way around. People aren't going to show up magically. If you manage to do it yourselves, then great, just don't die on us please

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  953. MSavoritias (fae,ve)

    Yeah same here. I would say even if the xsf doesnt put the word out it would be great to have a guarantee that the offer we are going to say to somebody *is* going to happen and its not theoretical.

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  956. pep.

    > If someone in the community were to raise their hand and say that they have the skills and are available to implement this (voluntarily or at a reasonable rate) I don't see any reason we wouldn't take up that offer What I'm saying is I think this is the wrong way around. The XSF decides to get somebody on board and puts the word out, not the other way around. People aren't going to show up magically. If you manage to do it yourselves, then great, just don't die on us please

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