XSF Discussion - 2022-11-09

moparisthebest mjk Twitter is to Mastodon what Whatsapp is to XMPP

#laconic

however: summit 2023-02 or no? :-)

debacle: what app are you talking about

;-)

Would it be possible to enable MAM on this room ?

edhelas: Looks like it is already enabled.

🤔

goffi, I'm reading over your set of proposed XEPs right now 👍️

I filed https://github.com/xsf/xeps/pull/1243 with some fixes for the PTE proposal

vanitasvitae: thanks. Yeah PTE needs polishing, I was in a rush to finish it due to grant deadline, but the main thing is there. I'll update it after council review if it's accepted.

mjk, good find, I added it to the PR if you don't mind 🙂

s/if/hope/ 😛

sure, that was my intention (as always, too lazy to log in)

lovetox: https://github.com/xsf/xeps/pull/1246

singpolyma, why does it change the item id there?

Zash: in which part?

https://github.com/xsf/xeps/pull/1246/commits/ff1334998262ff13e7c23756ae26e54712231970#r1018053372 (hope I can link to that)

id='current' is consistent with singleton nodes <https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0060.html#impl-singleton>

Ah, I thought this made the example more clear. It uses in the notification the same id that was used with the publish above. Using only 'current' would mean that a client receiving an even has no way to know if this version differs from what they have already fetched, but using any opaque id that changes on each publication then when you get an event you can check "is this the one I have?" and fetch if not

Is contentless notifications used?

The XEP says yes (and did before, I did not change that)

( https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0060.html#publisher-publish-success-withoutpayload )

I see.

The UUID thing was lovetox's suggestion IIRC, last time we discussed this update here

Because with PEP you will get the notification every time you log in

and so it makes it easy to see "ah, yes, that's the one I already have"

That is an issue with all PEP nodes tho

Yes, but if it's a small node then content-ful notifications are fine. But if every time I log in I just get contentless notification that says "current" that means... nothing?

Do clients +notify for vcard4 currently?

I do

at some point we should really write down some best practices regarding PubSub(/PEP) event notifications. Not using 'current' seems sensible here, other XEPs do something similar

flow THIS

Like, a design considerations informational thing?