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  755. emus Reminder Matt has made this tool: https://matthewwild.co.uk/projects/xep0392-web/
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  813. mjk hmm. "green" produces 🟩 "blue" produces 🟦 "red" produces... 🟦
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  818. emus MattJ
  819. mjk emus: I'm kidding, it's not a bug :)
  820. emus Ok, I don't get it 😀
  821. singpolyma mjk: if red made 🔴 I would have been beyond shocked
  822. mjk but regular reminder to add a <noscript> notice somewhere :3
  823. mjk singpolyma: sha2 was backdoo🟥 all along!!1
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  1104. edhelas https://upload.movim.eu/files/9d94237298995552fa13436420195fbca436dce7/okLQs3nuZrjy/image.png
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  1107. edhelas Bringing banner images to XMPP profiles on Movim, it's a first experiment
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  1109. edhelas It's XEP-0084: User Avatar with a URL in the metadata and on another node, that's it
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  1118. singpolyma edhelas: how do you mean? A url in the avatar metadata pointing at another node?
  1119. edhelas No, another metadata node
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  1122. singpolyma Oh I see, same as avatar but just different node name
  1123. edhelas Yes, I am using some movim specific node for now, but I'll try to write a XEP
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  1126. edhelas It will be quite simple, same as 0084 but with a landscape/wide picture, prefered URL (because the picture can be quite large) and save the metadata on something like urn:xmpp:banner:metadata
  1127. edhelas The rest is the same, and thanks to PEP magic it will be pushed on all the clients
  1128. singpolyma Oh, so metadata node only because you expect it to be too large for base64?
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  1131. edhelas Yeah, I'm already doing that in Movim
  1132. edhelas Movim can host pictures, so it's not a problem
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  1135. edhelas And 0084 support that
  1136. singpolyma Are they really so big in practise? I guess we can do up to 128kb in base64
  1137. edhelas Depends :p But it gives a bit more flexibility on my side, and I'm not blocking the socket
  1138. singpolyma If it's to be URI based probably want to have multiple URI options and/or hashes, like sims has. (I'm just thinking out loud, don't think I'm not excited to see this!)
  1139. edhelas Yeah, it's just a first experiment on Movim, I'll try to write a XEP when I'll have a bit of time and see what are the feedbacks :)
  1140. edhelas But I think that having banners in XMPP clients can be kinda cool, brings some customization to the user profiles
  1141. singpolyma Cool. I could see implementing this but I'll have to think about privacy stuff for the http URI case
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  1143. edhelas Sure
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  1147. singpolyma Can it work for MUC? I think MUC avatars aren't using pep avatar yet are they?
  1148. edhelas Nope, but maybe it's time to have PEP for MUC :D
  1149. edhelas I'd be happy to have PEP for XMPP services/components as well, then I can have vcards and avatars for them :3
  1150. singpolyma Yeah, I do that for some of my components
  1151. edhelas So basically you will receive a presence from muc.xmpp.org, also useful to know if the component has gone offline
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  1156. larma PEP/PubSub for MUC would be awesome. We could also use it to store user avatars of MUC members so they can be fetched even if the user went offline (which doesn't work right now because we're using the undefined IQ over MUC) and also have less privacy issues (can have different avatars for different MUCs)
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  1158. singpolyma larma: that doesn't sound related to pep on MUC per se. MUC service could cache user avatars already
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  1161. larma well not really
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  1163. larma because how would you even request the avatar for a specific user, if someone else can just join under their nickname
  1164. Zash Only do it for users with reserved nicknames?
  1165. singpolyma Right, you need reserved names for the concept to make sense
  1166. larma we have occupant ids
  1167. larma works even across nickname changes
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  1169. larma and also reserved nicknames aren't that popular in public MUCs, so would be weird to have avatars only work with them
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  1185. Zash true. so some occupant-id keyed cache for stuff then? I'd probably wanna reserve longer term persistence for affiliated users
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  1187. moparisthebest I think most public MUCs kind of assume reserved nicknames
  1188. moparisthebest If someone were to come through "stealing" regular user's names I suspect it'd get popular real fast...
  1189. Zash ´/kick moparisthebest /nick moparisthebest´ DISREGARD THAT
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  1194. singpolyma How most servers do reservation? For "members"?
  1195. Zash How how? In Prosody it's stored among extra data attached to an affiliation.
  1196. singpolyma I mean how would a MUC admin reserve a nickname. Is setting member affiliation enough or is something else needed?
  1197. Zash Per XEP-0045 you can specify a nick when configuring affiliation.
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  1199. singpolyma Ah ok, so client needs special support for it
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  1201. singpolyma Reasonable, just more stuff to implement :)
  1202. Zash Or a bug that makes it include nick instead of jid, in combination with some compatibility behavior for clients doing just that... and tada! everyone has their nicknames reserved!
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  1205. Zash https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0045.html#grantmember
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