XSF Discussion - 2022-11-24


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  184. emus edhelas: let us know your feedback.once your have reviewed!
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  197. jonas’ feedback.once would be a great domain name for throwaway accounts
  198. jonas’ I also would not want to run it
  199. Alastair Hogge 😂🤣😂🤣 that is a great idea
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  209. emus ^^ my onscreen keyboard has a narrow spacebar :-)
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  229. edhelas emus Looks interesting, I just asked a small question MattJ regarding the fundraising restrictions, I currently have a Patreon
  230. emus Ok!
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  237. edhelas I have another small question related to MUC
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  240. edhelas If I receive a chat message from a MUC and that I am considered disconnected, should I guess that I'm still connected ?
  241. edhelas (it's a bit like a reversed Shrödinger :p)
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  267. flow hmm good question, I wonder if there is a "Am I still joined" query clients could perform
  268. Ge0rG edhelas: the matrix bridge used to ignore presence-unavailable sent to it.
  269. Ge0rG edhelas: I documented the ways in https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0410.html#selfpresencecheck
  270. Ge0rG meanwhile, we got GC 1.0 joins banned from most server implementations! \o/
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  294. edhelas I have the issue with biboumi actually, I'll have to investigate the logs, but looks like I receive some disconnection presence, but still be connected behind
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  466. Ge0rG edhelas: biboumi also has configurable persistent rooms, so it stays joined even if you disconnect from the bridge, and it used to have issues with multiple clients connected at the same time
  467. Ge0rG edhelas: maybe there are also issues with Carbons of messages on your end
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  668. Daniel Is ```foo@bar ``` trailing space a valid jid?
  669. Zash Is tripple backquotes used as span valid?
  670. singpolyma No. Spaces not allowed in domainpart
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  672. Zash Spaces are allowed in nameprep, but not in DNS. HAVE FUN!
  673. Zash As in, IDNA will be unhappy about spaces
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  677. Daniel What about unqualified hostname ie text labels that can be resolved on a local network?
  678. Daniel What about unqualified hostnames ie text labels that can be resolved on a local network?
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  681. Zash Which RFCs are you thinking of? The dejure or defacto ones? :)
  682. Fishbowler RFC-7622 says it needs to be a valid FQDN or IP address, but couches that FQDN isn't a properly defined term. It also refers to RFC-5890, which does get specific about character sets, but I've not properly parsed them.
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  685. Daniel I'm reading 7622
  686. Zash https://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc3491#section-5 note the absense of 'Table C.1.1' which is the one containing regular space https://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc3454#appendix-C
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  689. Zash Daniel, > The domainpart for every XMPP service MUST be a fully qualified > domain name (FQDN), an IPv4 address, an IPv6 address, or an > *unqualified hostname* (i.e., a text label that is resolvable on a > local network).
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  691. Zash https://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc7622#section-3.2
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  707. flow s/FQDN/DNS name/
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  710. flow also https://www.rfc-editor.org/errata/eid5769
  711. Zash 7622 points to IDNA2008 which points to STRINGPREP which defines nameprep which does not forbid 0x20 in its output.
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  715. Daniel So it's a valid jid?
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  718. flow at least we can not come up (yet) with something that forbids "bar " as domainpart
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  720. flow if leading and trailing spaces in domainpart are sensible is another question (I want to say, no)
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  722. Zash You can't look up such a domain in DNS tho, because something somewhere in IDNA2008 forbids that
  723. Zash Suddenly too dizzy for reading RFCs.
  724. Zash And still waiting for https://unicode-org.atlassian.net/browse/ICU-11981 for Prosody :/
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  730. Daniel We've asked a dozen xmpp libraries if a single space is a valid xmpp address and here are the results. 🥁
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  733. flow jxmpp's string-testframework only reports rocks-xmpp-precis rejecting "foo@bar " as jid
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  735. flow that said, simply always trim user-provided JID strings and hope for the best when encountering them over the wire
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  737. flow and I think there must be somting prevting whitespace in U-labels
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  739. flow the protocol laywer in me wants to find out, but first SIGFOOD
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  741. Zash Catch 22: Must have energy to make food. Must have food to have energy.
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  778. flow so U+0020 is IDNA2008 disallowed
  779. flow https://www.unicode.org/Public/idna/idna2008derived/Idna2008-15.0.0.txt
  780. flow which makes it invalid in U-labels
  781. flow assuming a domainpart can be either (A) a DNS name, (B) an IP address or (c) a "hostname"
  782. flow we just established that spaces are not allowed in (A)
  783. flow no production of IP addresses allows spaces, so it's also not (C)
  784. flow no production of IP addresses allows spaces, so it's also not (B)
  785. flow which only leaves C, but since hostnames are often modelled after DNS names, it should be also safe to say that spaces are there not allowed
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  788. Zash I would imagine a "hostname" to be a single U-label or somesuch
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  790. flow I think most Unixes allow hostname to be longer than DNS labels are allowed to be
  791. flow But every sane person would choose a hostname that qualifies as U-label (if not A-label)
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  806. mjk 7622's ABNF says > domainpart = IP-literal / IPv4address / ifqdn > ifqdn = 1*1023(domainbyte) > ; a "domainbyte" is a byte used to represent a > ; UTF-8 encoded Unicode code point that can be > ; contained in a string that conforms to RFC 5890 so, whatever the _meaning_ of "ifqdn" is, I think it's pretty clear that it only allows IDNA chars
  807. mjk but I dunno if ABNF comments are normative ;)
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  809. mjk but I dunno if comments in ABNF are normative ;)
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  831. Ge0rG flow [19:32]: > But every sane person would choose a hostname that qualifies as U-label (if not A-label) Are you calling pentesters insane?
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  833. Zash Or regular old QA testers?
  834. Ge0rG And once we are through U+20, there is the non breaking space and the invisible space as well!
  835. Zash those are forbidden for real tho
  836. Ge0rG Nobody forbade space because it's so obviously wrong?
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  838. mjk :D
  839. moparisthebest There's "forbidden" and there's "technically allowed but so likely to cause issues everywhere no one should do it"
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  841. moparisthebest I recall once dealing with a poor lady who's email was something like "Mary.O'Brien@domain.com" and you wouldn't believe the problems she had
  842. moparisthebest On the other hand she found many a SQL injection vulnerability...
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  844. Zash Thank glob we have stricter rules for addresses than email :9
  845. Zash Thank glob we have stricter rules for addresses than email :)
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  848. singpolyma Has there ever been a proposal for a disco feature to say "doesn't expect chats"?
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  851. Zash Not that I can recall.
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  860. Zash Some complain that the baseline feature set of XMPP is too sparse, and here I too wish basic messaging was opt-in too. :)
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  863. Zash singpolyma, what's your use case?
  864. singpolyma Zash: being able as a client to default to something other than chat ui for contacts that don't take chats, which includes most but not all components
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  868. Zash It would be good, but does it make sense to advertise negative features?
  869. Zash I note that Converse.js won't show a message input box if you open a chat with a host jid (without localpart), which made it awkward when I made a chat interface for pubsub
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  895. singpolyma Zash: yeah, I'd like to avoid "just assuming" for exactly that kind of reason
  896. singpolyma I can't really think of another negative feature that makes sense
  897. singpolyma It's basically a UI hint
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  906. Zash Explicit > implicit
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