XSF Discussion - 2022-12-16

do all M-Links only support urn:xmpp:sm:2 or is this specifically jabber.org? cc Kev

Next release is both sm:2 and sm:3.

Current release depends which of the M-Link products whether it's sm:2-only, or both.

Why'd you ask Daniel ?

From XEP-0308

> When used in a Multi-User Chat (XEP-0045) [3] context, corrections must not be allowed (by the receiver) for messages received before the sender joined the room - particularly a full JID leaving the room then rejoining and correcting a message SHOULD be disallowed, as the entity behind the full JID in the MUC may have changed.

This means that I can't process edited messages from this MUC MAM history ?

Because I don't know if the 2 received MAM messages are from different resources

Kev, I have a fairly nasty bug in the latest Conversations version (resending messages over and over again) that specifically happens on servers that only support sm:2

just wanted to get a feeling on how widespread that is

Most M-Links aren't on the Internet. It could be that only jabber.org (for the moment) and isode.com are, not sure about some customers.

And isode.com supports :3

I spent 3 minutes trying to figure out what emoji was :3

Sorry. sm colon 3

Not sure that you did anything to be sorry about 😂

When I typed it I thought "Will this emoji? No,i t'll be fine"

Well, you were right: it didn't. oldschool me still tried to parse it as a smiley though :)

Oh, right.

edhelas: you can via XEP-0421

edhelas, what pubsub payloads will Movim render? XEP-0277 I assume? There is someone in prosody@ who wants to push a simple text message to pubsub (via MQTT!) and have it show up in Movim. Just want to know what the simplest syntax is that Movim will show...

MattJ: atom entry with a title should work for that

Thought so, thanks

> edhelas, what pubsub payloads will Movim render? XEP-0277 I assume? There is someone in prosody@ who wants to push a simple text message to pubsub (via MQTT!) and have it show up in Movim. Just want to know what the simplest syntax is that Movim will show... Yes, Atom only in Movim ↺

larma is it implemented server side ? Prosody, ejabberd ?

Prosody has it, not sure about ejabberd

Also not sure if enabled by default

It's also required for reactions in public MUCs to work properly.

It's supported and enabled by default in (latest) Prosody

Hello folks, I am looking for a support to get us the logo perfect (see the XMPP letter outline) https://xmpp.org/community/gsoc-2022/ I think a nice white line to contrast for dark mode would be best.

I'm not sure I understand the question.

For dark background, like t-shirts, we've generally just used white for the text XMPP, leaving the logo drawing as-is

Should be fairly easy to do with the SVG ✏

https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/v1/download/matrix.org/bdBFOOOjfTuQYYEhkDcMVZQZ

^ is the problem, i think :)

Ah yes 😀

thanks

svg won't work unless you load 2 different svg for dark and bright (which mean scripting). Easier to `id="logo-invert"` of black image of the text, and in css: `#logo-invert { filter: invert(100%); webkit-filter: invert(100%); }` ✏

oh the `+ google…` is one file. yeh ignore me lol

You know you can style SVGs with CSS, right?

Its not an svg. I have no clue about this really 😀

That was for Trung

where's the source of that png?

Our logo is originally an SVG

I mean, one can dig in git history, but in case it's already known...

can you pick out black and change it to white in css?

the problem is xmpp logo has 4 colors so unless you can change specific color, u gonna have to load 2 file.

Trung: you can change the fill color on the letters, yes

mjk wait

https://github.com/xsf/xmpp.org/blob/master/static/images/logos/GSoC_2022_Logo.png https://github.com/xsf/xmpp.org/blob/master/static/images/logos/xmpp-logo-text.svg GSoC-icon.svg, Wikimedia Commons contributors, Wikimedia Commons, the free media repository, Date of last revision: 17 June 2021 12:10 UTC, 22 January 2022 14:33 UTC, [permanent link](https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=File:GSoC-icon.svg&oldid=569574711), 569574711

ah, I see, it was assembled manually and commited to the repo

for some reason I thought it's rendered at time build time

> Our logo is originally an SVG oh i see yeh

at first glance, `path` element doesn't react to adding `style`, but I don't really know how to properly do that

oh, it needed `fill` property, not `background-color`

so, I guess add a class to the letter paths and style that depending on theme

yeah, class works. take it from here, Trung 😁️

its 0430 in the mornin i just shutdown the compy sorry lol

ok, no hurry

Where should I look if I want to write a transport for xmpp to bridge it to another IM?

kurisu: slixmpp, for example. Slidge uses that for bridging with many silos

I mean is there like a xep for transports or smth? I'd be more into manually sending xml over the wire

Like a standard or a tutorial I can read to understand how they function

I think there is some xep to improve transport ux in clients, but other than that, it should be transparent to clients

Oh. But a transport doesn't have to be on the same server as the account, does it? But if I want to e.g. populate a user's roster with the foreign IM contacts, is that possible to do from another server?

Because of things like this I just assumed there was some special sub protocol for transports or something

kurisu, look how existing transports work, like biboumi for instance, basically you'll be in control of 1 domain and mapping the remote network to that domain

you'll never be able to automatically populate a user's roster for instance, but you can send them subscription requests they can click "ok" on etc

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Yeah point is existing transports barely seem to work. >you'll never be able to automatically populate a user's roster for instance It seemed to me that's what hotchilli's WA or Telegram transport did, but that was when my account was on that server. It's kind of awkward then, I mean the user has already added a contact on that foreign IM and now he sees that as a new request... Kind of hoped for a more seamless integration tbh

kurisu, would you want a remote server to be able to add a bunch of contacts to your roster ?

If I had allowed it to - yes

I suppose you could invent some protocol for opt-in "yes I do want example.com to be able to add *@example.com to my roster", maybe it already exists and I just don't know about it

why do you need people automatically added to your roster anyway? it's not like that's a requirement for getting/sending messages or anything

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https://http.xmpp.xyz:5281/upload/WYENgcBzvsjW0w4j-FUqzASW/xmpp-logo-text-themable.svg

^ works for me in Firefox

(is it 'themable' or 'themeable'?)

mjk - dark background 🙂 + font

wdym? does it work or not? :D

by the way, is dark theme a thing in chromium?

mjk -> https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/v1/download/matrix.org/bdBFOOOjfTuQYYEhkDcMVZQZ thats ugly

yes, and in that svg I shared I made the letters change to white automatically, depending on browser's theme

https://jabbers.one:5281/upload/Z3MzwvRsYUKYopRVh78ayFRk/30664b10-93c3-4281-92d8-1c03857a6857.png

But this is how it looks to me:

yes, that's by design (needs to be on dark background) ✏

now someone can just concat that svg with google's, add some horizontal translation, et voila?

Okay, will try

okay I am to dumb, how do I download such files. FF won't let me save it D:

wget/curl always works

thank

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forgot 😀

got it

yeah, I just experienced the same pain trying to save the original :D

😱️

> you'll never be able to automatically populate a user's roster for instance, but you can send them subscription requests they can click "ok" on etc This worked in the aughts. Client probably had to support something I guess

but the question is now that I need the entire image as svg. inkscape, right?

emus: probably, yes. if Inkscape breaks the dark theme style, that can be fixed afterwards :)