XSF Discussion - 2022-12-19

Does the XMPP client in Thunderbird have a known issue with not responding to IQ request stanzas (even with an error)?

This does not bode well: https://hg.mozilla.org/comm-central/file/tip/chat/protocols/xmpp/xmpp-base.sys.mjs#l2188

Why are RFCs, after all?

> The Thunderbird build will take up to 30 GB of disk space in order to complete. Be sure to have enough free space and a fast internet connection to avoid interruptions

so much for supplying a quick fix :)

just 30 GB?

pffff. compiling ceph eats at least 60GB!

Guus: just submit an untested patch, ez

Yeah because I love it when people do that to me 😉

Thunderbird does not support stream management or mam and therefore suffers from message loss in both directions...

IMHO Thunderbird should either fix/modernize their xmpp support or remove xmpp support altogether... Having such a broken client implementation in such widespread software sheds some very bad light onto xmpp as a whole (buggy, unreliable etc.)

(did someone say pidgin?)

don't mention g today in my presence

(or █talk?) ✏

I never understood why there was chat feature in Thunderbird

Zawinski's Law, states: > Every program attempts to expand until it can read mail. Those programs which cannot so expand are replaced by ones which can. Potential corollary: Every email program expands until it has video chat?

edhelas, groupware!

edhelas, counter by adding email in Movim!

Zash I've implemented what's next after email

XMPP is the new SMTP

Just need event planning / calendar sharing and multi party video calls and shared tasks, then you can take on Outlook! :)

Zash, event planning has been submitted as (proto)xep