XSF Discussion - 2022-12-26

singpolyma, >kurisu: Conversations and forks will select an element with a lang matching what language the app is using if one is present Well, Conversations sets it. Does it have it any affect on how the server replies then, in practice?

is @something@host.tld a valid jid?

oh, it is excluded, nevermind

> singpolyma, > Well, Conversations sets it. Does it have it any affect on how the server replies then, in practice? Why was this xml:lang even introduced?

kurisu: what singpolyma meant is that Conversations parses the lang and selects a translated body

It also sets it when connecting to the server but that's a different thing

Translated body like where specifically?

You can use that to for example to translate automated messages

A bot can send localized messages

What about in practice? Where is a translated body set in practice?

I'm not aware of it being used but bot messages seem to be a fairly valid example that is also easy enough to use that it seems plausible that someone would use it

In the other direction (although that is handled by parsing the stream lang attribute) server error messages are very often translated

Jabber.org's certificate expired.

kurisu, why do you ask? are you asking because you don’t want to add this to your xmpp library? you are probably fine with not implementing it

are you asking because this should be removed from xmpp or xml? probably not it is valid use cases

Just genuinely wondering

lang attribute on stream (c2s) means server knows your language and can send you translated (error) messages

but third party entities don’t know your language and might just send you all of them as multiple bodies

they know in some cases (e.g. when they reply to an IQ request of yours), but not in others (messages from pubsub services, presence errors)

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qy: the @ in the localpart can be escaped with \40, fwiw ✏

oh cursed

It's cute to see people on the fediverse say it simply lacks one critical thing which is blocking widespread adoption, hmmm where have I heard that before :D

I love everyone demanding this quoted post... And not realising they could just use something else then mastodon, that has that feature. Since the mastodon main dev already made multible posts about that deliberate choice not to implement it. They all don't know how floss works. And don't know how federated software works

That's the one

Link for the non-initiated?

https://triangle.social/objects/c77c580c-6240-410c-b0bc-31d16ddef282

https://mastodon.social/@taylorlorenz/109565436163660592

Should be enough to get you started

thanks

tthhrreeaaddss!! readable threads!!11 https://i.calckey.cloud/notes/994oo646qk

Much standard such wow

Otoh actual media coverage :L

Media coverage? Of what? Where?

of Mastodon, on the normalnet, compared to XMPP?

https://www.wsj.com/story/how-to-use-mastodon-the-social-media-platform-blocked-by-elon-musks-twitter-7751455f

https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2022/12/17/how-to-join-mastodon/

Etc

vanitasvitae: you're saying we need to get musk to buy WhatsApp?

That might work :P

To "save free speech" *bans critics*