XSF Discussion - 2023-01-08

https://fosdem.org/2023/stands/ New location for the realtime lounge?

😱

I think I might go this year again

Although I don't think I could attend a summit if there's one

XEP-0384: OMEMO encryption is now in 'experimental' phase and hasn't been updated for almost a year (2022-01-18). Does that mean that in 10 days it is moved to deferred? Seems illogical as the XEP is already stable but still being worked on?

gooya: definitely something for council to discuss

Alright I'll forward it to their channel

Also judging by the amount of activity in specs, maybe 1 year is not enough. Or #RemoveDeferred

pep.: Is the system automated or does it get evaluated by humans?

It's semi-automated. XEP-0001 dictates what should happen. Humans make it happen with the help of tools.

I think it is good to have specific time points of when something is evaluated but depending on the protocol 1y might indeed be too short. If humans are involved they can make the choice of whether to move the status of an XEP upon receiving these time indication notifications. But fully automation of this is indeed not preferred.

one could probably Last Call it

Isn't everyone still on OMEMO v3?

Most clients are, only kaidan, libervia? and moxxyv2. Have some sort of omemo 0.8.X implementation. ✏

Zash: Most clients are, only kaidan, libervia? and moxxyv2. Have some sort of omemo 0.8.X implementation. ✏

(As far as I know)

UWPX as well

UWPX is not being developed anymore

OTOH, isn't Proposed where it's supposed to be implemented for Real™ ?

It seems one can hold it in proposed for some time, if one just regularly extents the last call. https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0001.html#proposal In this case, because there is not enough real world feedback 🙂. Then it has the nicer status, not experimental..

On the other hand.. All of this is just words.

> UWPX is not being developed anymore TIL. that's a bit sad

three-ish client + a library puts us well into Last Call territory

Isn't that for Final?

(Hm, my previous message should be s/Proposed/Stable/)

i mean move stable

yes the conditions with x implementations are for Final. but what i mean to say is we should have enough experience with the XEP that we can move it into stable

We're moving too fast! We should be implementing and deploying Stable, not Experimental!

Also final wouldnt make sense for this xep right? Because its encryption and we may want to upgrade it in the future

Can always make a new XEP number if running afoul of The Rules

Later

> Daniel: > 2023-01-08 05:19 (GMT+01:00) > TIL. that's a bit sad Indeed and the dev even more left xmpp entirely

> Indeed and the dev even more left xmpp entirely Sad to know that, met him on the Berlin Sprint :/ Was it just personal reasons? Or technical issues like disagreeing with the protocol, etc?

IIRC they talked about pain of developing for Windows?

https://github.com/UWPX/UWPX-Client/releases/tag/v.0.43.0.0