XSF Discussion - 2023-01-12

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  232. emus

    Kev: He will follow-up with a comment btw, would you like to be org admin backup? in case I have issues or have difficulties

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  246. Guus

    Hmm... there's no deleting a user from our wiki? I've created a test account, to see if email generation was still working. I can block the account, but I don't see how I can completely remove it.

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  249. pep.

    I might be hallucinating but wasn't there a cli tool also for mediawiki?

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  251. pep.

    (on the server that is)

  252. Guus

    Oh that might very well be the case. I'm only using the web interface.

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  254. MattJ

    I think deleting users is impossible/hard in MediaWiki by design

  255. Guus

    Not a big deal, but I've added some cruft now.

  256. MattJ

    You can change/remove stuff like the email address and credentials, and block

  257. MattJ

    Nobody will notice :)

  258. Guus


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  304. Alex

    only can only be deleted directly in the database, there are no admin poages for it. MediaWiki keeps users forever because content maybe assigned to them. I was struggling with this a lot before

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  306. Alex

    Guus: is is related to the account request for Nicola? He sent me direct messages, just came back to my office

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  310. Alex

    someone here who has access to the MediaWiki box? looks like passwords can be resetted over php commands direrctly: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Resetting_passwords

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  312. Alex

    ´# set the password for username 'example' to 'newpassword' php changePassword.php --user=example --password=newpassword´

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  316. Zash

    I have access. Is there a need?

  317. Zash

    Isn't there a forgot password thing?

  318. Alex

    there is a user wh wants to apply for membership. AFAIK Guus created the account, but he is not getting any emails. Not the initial email with the temp password, and when he tries to reset the password he is also not getting emails. So not sure if there is a general SMTP problem, or its only related to this users email address

  319. Alex

    Nicfab is the username

  320. Alex

    Guus created is this morning

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  324. Zash

    Can look into it in a bit

  325. flow

    Alex, does the user, by any chance, have an gmail address?

  326. flow

    Alex, does the user, by any chance, have a gmail address?

  327. Alex

    flow: its not a gmail.com adress, but his address could be hosted in gapps, but I don't know. I can ask

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  330. flow

    Gentoo's media wiki had also issues sending to gmail, the problem where mail header values which where added by the php mta implementation that google disliked (probably due wordpress spam). see https://bugs.gentoo.org/856757#c20

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  332. Alex

    nicola said self hosted with Mailcow and usually works fine

  333. flow

    ok, then it's probably something different and you have to follow the mail hop-by-hop…

  334. Zash

    Password reset email arrives to me, so rules out breakage from the OS upgrade.

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  339. Zash

    Guus, Alex: Could either of you forward the temporary password to them?

  340. Alex

    I asked him to join this channel

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  342. Alex

    then he can send you a temp pass in private or exchange mail address

  343. Alex

    Zash, misread your message, yes I can

  344. Guus

    Sorry, I was out.

  345. Alex

    I also just resetted my pass and Email works for me

  346. Guus

    Yeah worked for me too.

  347. Zash

    Alex, sent you in PM

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  349. Guus

    Thanks Alex/Zash

  350. Alex

    mail shows up in SPAM, but that a different issue ;-)

  351. Alex

    but the user checked his SPAM folders

  352. Alex

    anyway, send him the temp pass, and he hopefully can login now and apply. Thanks for your fast help Zash

  353. Zash

    Does it say why (it goes in spam)?

  354. Guus

    Thanks for picking this up Alex.

  355. Alex

    I was at the dentist early in my AM, otherwise I could have picket it up earlier 🦷

  356. Alex

    He just conformed that login works now and the temp pass was changed

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  366. Daniel

    is nobody else (aside from the people already on the wiki) intending to go to the summit?

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  369. Daniel

    or is everyone just waiting for the location to be confirmed?

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  372. flow

    Unfortunately, I have to skip summit and FOSDEM this year too :( But hopefully I'll be able to join you next year again!

  373. Alex

    I am trying to make it. Still need to work on a schedule for it and also with my family. Sadly my new year started with COVID and messed all my schedules

  374. MattJ

    Maybe we won't need a room the size of Cisco...

  375. Daniel

    > Maybe we won't need a room the size of Cisco... that's kinda the question behind the question

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  377. Daniel

    it's fine if people for whatever reasons don’t want to go. but if cisco falls through as an option (?) it would be good to have an idea of how many people actually want to go

  378. Daniel

    in previous years people often only added themselves last minute to the wiki. but that makes planning a little difficult

  379. Zash

    Post to the list?

  380. Daniel

    i think emus posted like ~10 emails over the past month. I don’t think my post will add anything to that

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  382. Zash

    I see only one.

  383. Zash

    I thought there were some in December, but those are from 2020

  384. Zash

    Daniel, assume 2x as many and go from there?

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  386. Zash

    Or check at what times people added themselves in the past, graph it, compare to the current trend...

  387. Daniel

    > Daniel, assume 2x as many and go from there? yes that's fair I guess

  388. emus

    Zash, Daniel: Its on the list twice I believe + calls here and media

  389. emus

    but in general, I follow that communication was not done well and we should have organised earlier

  390. emus

    I suggest 6 months ahead for next year

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  394. Daniel

    I don’t think the communication (in terms of invites) are the problem

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  414. emus

    Daniel: but?

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  416. singpolyma

    > is nobody else (aside from the people already on the wiki) intending to go to the summit? If there is a remote participation option like there has sometimes been I will plan to be on that

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  422. Daniel

    > Daniel: but? I don’t think there is a single reason. Covid being a big one probably. if not worried about getting sick it's the general uncertainty around travel

  423. Daniel

    i've seen plenty of people not wanting to go to fosdem either this year

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  425. Kev

    I think if you want to get a reasonable chance of people replying, saying “please me me or the list saying you’re hoping to come” might be more effective. I, at least, haven’t been intending adding my name to the wiki until I’ve booked and am confirmed going, and I’m holding off booking to see if the promised hotel decision materialises.

  426. Kev

    I do think that 6 months in advance is a good aim, if it can be managed. This year it feels like everything is later than usual.

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  449. Link Mauve

    Daniel, added myself, sorry I hadn’t done it earlier.

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  526. emus

    Daniel: thanks for the info

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  531. emus

    > Kev: > 2023-01-12 03:25 (GMT+01:00) > I do think that 6 months in advance is a good aim, if it can be managed. This year it feels like everything is later than usual. I think arranging arround - topics - maybe even a general motto - ideas etc it makes sense. It also makes sense to gain momentum. At the point an event like fosdem is announces and get closer we are ready to book, not start planning. I did very well with this last GSoC and I am trying again. The early bird

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