XSF Discussion - 2023-01-19

thanks wurstsalat for the fixes on the slidge doap inclusion for the website!

nicoco: you're welcome!

I may try to add a "gateway" section when I have the time, would that be OK? slidge itself should stay a library, but at some point I will make doap files for every "slidge plugin" and give them cool names like "whatslidge" or so :). I think it's a shame that biboumi is not even listed since it's probably the best xmpp gateway out there… yakafokon (french for « someone™ should do it »)

nicoco, I think that's a good idea yeah

is 5443 a default value for a port used in context of XMPP anywhere?

No

Prosody and ejabberd both use 5280/5281 for HTTP/HTTPS conventionally, but even that isn't standard or default

5280 is registered with IANA for BOSH

Ha, I didn't realize that

Heh, and nobody (not many?) do bosh on unencrypted ports anymore.

Having TLS on port+1 is an old tradition, e.g 5223, 5270, and 5281 :)

Although I maintain that the XSF's primary audience is developers, we do have some user-focused stuff on our site. In fact, the primary CTA on https://xmpp.org is "Get started".

Yet we don't have a venue for users on https://xmpp.org/community/chat/

This role used to be filled by jabber@conference.jabber.org, which still exists but very quiet these days and mostly focused on jabber.org stuff when there is activity

So... should we open a venue for end-user general XMPP support? ✏

The idea of a room for users on joinjabber has been mentioned multiple times, but not many people actually expressed the desire to have it created right away and/or advertize it. Read: it's stalled and I'm not going to create it just so that we have another empty room

there's a semi-popular xmpp room in german, where people discuss various xmpp topics and help each other. would be nice to have that in english as well

Would be nice to have one in $language for sure

The reason I'm asking right now is that I was prepping some materials for FOSDEM, and for dev-focused stuff I direct folk to the jdev web chat. For users, I don't have anything currently.

We have to assume that these people don't have XMPP set up yet, so anonymous web chat is a requirement for any venue

If I'm not the only one to join I'm happy to create that room in joinjabber still.

If you do that, and can provide nice short URLs to get to the web chat (even a redirect is fine) then that definitely solves my immediate problem

It would surely be nice to have that chat available from a web-frontend

wurstsalat, yeah we have a web thing, that seems to work (more or less, lots of red in the console) but I'm going to update right away

Perhaps somewhere we can have a page with links to support channels in different languages

Personally I'm happy to have this happen in the same room. What I'd like for this is someone the jj.o community somewhat trusts that knows the language. But that's not something for me alone to decide anyway when it comes to jj.o

It would be great to have a user focused support room for XMPP, not jabber, so that we don't confuse anyone further imho

"XMPP User Support - JoinJabber" ;)

FTR, I'd be available for hanging out in some users@muc.xmpp.org or so

or other place

pep. has created xmpp:support@joinjabber.org?join

When it has a convenient URL I'll add it the flyer and note that it is multilingual

I think most large user friendly MUCs end up being used for this kind of support, but having a place to tell people about might be interesting

I hear "Point new users to the Soprani.ca general chat" :P

Hehe. I mean, their might be a branding issue with that

I love all the people who join there looking for nudes etc

what?

Hehe well it's the only chat in your roster when you first install cheogram and people have joined asking for nudes

XMPP getting mainstream 👍

That or looking to buy or sell credit card numbers is always fun

Ive seen non German people be confused that there is no general xmpp chatroom in English. I think it would be good

They ask from time to time in the German general room and I didn't really know where to send them ✏

> Menel: > Ive seen non German people be confused that there is no general xmpp chatroom in English. I think it would be good It's already prepared and will come soon.

*IM*: it's already there support@joinjabber.org

Ah ok.

*IM*, what's the address for the german room again? We can redirect there

Both are axtive: xmpp:conversations@conference.jabber.de?join And: xmpp:xmpp-de@conference.conversations.im?join

pep.: Do you control https://joinxmpp.org/ ? It's got an invalid certificate

better now? I thought it was ok for me already

Nope still invalid https://www.ssllabs.com/ssltest/analyze.html?d=joinxmpp.org&s=5.255.91.84&latest

> Error code: SSL_ERROR_BAD_CERT_DOMAIN

Ah joinxmpp.org, sorry

Too many domains!

Yeah, that's the only two we have now though. I dropped all the others

There can be only one!

Where is the place that says "body = oob is how clients know". Nowhere still? I thought this was in some CS

pep., https://docs.modernxmpp.org/client/protocol/#file-transfer

https://docs.modernxmpp.org/client/protocol/#communicating-the-url to be precise

Thanks

It's definitely a misfeature. Though hopefully we can get fallback indication adopted instead

Yeah "there's stuff coming", hopefully