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Guus
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I've sent a message to the jdev list two hours ago, but it doesn't show up in the archive, nor did it bounce. Did it get stuck in a spam filter on the server?
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I recieved it
Kev
12:00:39
The one about moving .work? I got it
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Guus
12:10:25
Ok tx
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12:22:19
Turns out that emails sent in February do not tend to end up in January's archive.
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12:22:31
Oh. Golly.
Guus
12:22:44
(which, in my defense, was the last archive that was displayed when I started to refresh that page)
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(which is a poor defense, yes)
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12:26:15
(202)3-2-1 !
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Tobi
13:36:16
🚹.on.some.domain.example.net should be a valid domain part of a JID, correct?
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flow
13:37:01
Tobi, is it a valid DnsName? ✎
flow
13:37:10
Tobi, is it a valid DNS name? ✏
flow
13:37:41
if the answer is 'yes', then it should be also a valid domainpart
flow
13:40:16
given that 🚹 is punycode convertible, I suspect it is a valid DNS name
Tobi
13:41:01
that what my hunch as well. I didn't find a good online validator, only punycode converters that didn't go boom
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ta
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Zash
13:42:48
According to which combination of normalization RFCs?
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flow
13:43:54
I don't think there is much normalization required there
Zash
13:44:04
Prosody (STRINGPREP + IDNA2008) says "yes, but actually no"
Tobi
13:44:17
https://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc7622 refers to https://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc5890
Tobi
13:44:34
what do you mean by yes but no
Zash
13:45:16
"Be strict in what you produce yourself, but relaxed in what you allow from others"
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13:46:56
Seems to be stringprep/nameprep that disallows it
flow
13:47:32
I wonder if this is becauwe U+1F6B( was unassigned at the time RFC 5892 was written ✎
flow
13:47:42
I wonder if this is because U+1F6B9 was unassigned at the time RFC 5892 was written ✏
Zash
13:48:07
Most likely, that's what our 'strict' flag does, rejects unassigned characters or allows them.
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flow
13:48:22
well it is not longer unassigned
singpolyma
13:48:34
If you punycode it it would be valid and safer
Zash
13:48:36
STRINGPREP is fixed to Unicode 3.2, your argument is invalid
Tobi
13:48:57
and IDNA2008 sounds like it has something to do with 2008 as well ;)
flow
13:49:04
So I am looking at the DNS RFC for a statement that says "codepoints in the category "Other Symbol (So)" are allowed in U-labels"
Zash
13:49:12
No IDNA2008 seems to be fine with it
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Tobi
13:51:02
Slightly related, do you know any XMPP implementation that's using PRECIS for validation?
Zash
13:51:51
IIRC there are Python and Rust (library) availability, no idea what uses it. Do people put this in their DOAPs?
ralphm
13:52:36
Strictly speaking XML 1.0 depends on Unicode 2.0, so yeah.
flow
13:52:36
Tobi, babbler uses https://github.com/sco0ter/precis
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Tobi
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Ta
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flow
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Tobi, I begin to get the impression that 🚹 is not valid in DNS names
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flow
13:57:45
mostly because I can't find a rule that "Symbol Other" codepoints are allowed
flow
13:58:34
so even though the codepoint is no longer unassigned, it appears to fall into the default case of the algo shown in https://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc5892#section-3
ralphm
13:59:54
Also, are you really sure you want this?
Zash
14:00:09
How do you type that?
flow
14:00:27
<ComposeKey> M E N S Y M
flow
14:00:57
it's a good question, but unrelated to the question if the spec allows it
flow
14:01:07
but luckily it appears that the answer to both questions is no ✎
flow
14:01:11
but luckily it appears that the answer to both questions is "no" ✏
flow
14:01:23
no, I don't want it. and no, the spec does not allow it
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Tobi
14:01:47
Flow, true....nobody wants to sell me a domain with 🚹 in it.
flow
14:01:48
is what I currently assume to be the case
flow
14:01:56
the ultimate test ✎
flow
14:02:18
the ultimate test :) ✏
Zash
14:02:22
each TLD has their own rules for what characters are allowed
flow
14:02:38
Zash, but I assume they only get stricter?
Zash
14:03:09
Well allowing characters disallowed by something else would be weird.
flow
14:03:59
and not the "good weired" kind
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