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tmolitor
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how to proceed regarding pr 1248? https://github.com/xsf/xeps/pull/1248
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tmolitor
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afaic council did not vote on that because of the pending SASL2 merge, but it seems it is not yet merged into the inbox, too, right?
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pep.
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Is there any document explaining why it's not recommended to reuse the same resource anymore (it isn't, right?) And/or why server devs would like this to be controlled by the server
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I don't think not recommended is it so much as not common
flow
21:46:00
best practice is to use a randomized (or server assigned) resource, but then re-use that resource for subsequent reconnects, as it, for example, improves the chances that you get stanzas that where addressed to this resource prior the reconnect
pep.
21:46:48
singpolyma: and yet it was extremely common in the past no? But there's been a change in the last few years
singpolyma
21:47:00
Manually assigned resources are fine, but users don't really want to make up unique names for their devices usually
pep.
21:48:08
flow: makes sense
pep.
21:48:39
When do you know you can drop the resource? After SM timeout?
flow
21:49:02
pep., why drop the resource at all?
pep.
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Ah wait
pep.
21:49:47
Ok I misread
pep.
21:50:03
And yeah I remember we do store the generated resource
flow
21:50:04
to answer my question: one could argue that a malicious actor may learn your resource, so you may still want to rotate it once in a while
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Zash
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Is it best practice if all current clients pick something "Client.HCcg" and then use that forever?
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MattJ
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If someone knows (or can guess) your resource then they can tell when you are online, which is considered a presence leak and something we have always tried to protect against
MattJ
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Then there are conflict issues, which are thankfully less common these days
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MattJ
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But previously it was super common for people to have two clients kicking each other off in a loop
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singpolyma
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How do they guess your presence using only your resource?
Zash
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singpolyma, `<presence type=probe to=fulljid>`
MattJ
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Just iq or anything
tmolitor
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does the server answer the probe on behalf of the client or the client itself?
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Zash: and the server won't block that?
MattJ
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I actually can't recall what full JID probes do, but an iq ping works just as well
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MattJ: shouldn't inbound iq from non roster usually get a generic error that doesn't confirm or deny presence?
MattJ
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Who should send that error?
singpolyma
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I guess maybe not always
singpolyma
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The client
MattJ
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Timing makes it trivial to detect then
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🤔
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MattJ
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And timing aside, the client would have to be sure to send the exact same error that the server would send if the resource was offline
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flow
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+ sometimes there may be good reasons an entity without presence subscription or in your roster send you an IQ
singpolyma
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flow: but then you should know this good reason to allow it
MattJ
22:09:44
Sure, though usually the client should be able to determine that
flow
22:10:48
singpolyma, maybe. but it's easy to get this wrong
flow
22:11:19
how many implementations do consider roster/subscription state when doing message delivery receipts?
MattJ
22:11:50
This is a good question for someone to explore 🙂
flow
goes on an explores his bed instead :)
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