XSF Discussion - 2023-02-12

  1. singpolyma

    > Google use it for their Google Cloud Messaging. Facebook use it for Facebook Chat integration. NATO use it for tactical chat. Thousands of companies use it for their enterprise instant messaging. Millions of devices use it to interconnect. The IETF use it in their meetings. One of our Board members uses it to talk to his mother. This faq entry tastes stale

  2. Menel

    Yes, more then one use it to talk to their mother, and the IETF switched?

  3. flow

    is the fix to this pull requestable?

  4. singpolyma

    I expect so. I'm happy to draft something to propose maybe. I just was reading the FAQ and this one stood out to me

  5. pep.

    https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0425.html the reason here is optional right? It doesn't seem to say. And the schema seems off

  6. pep.

    (Message moderation)

  7. Zash

    The reason message? Sure, I'd assume so.

  8. pep.

    That's what I would also assume, but it doesn't say. I'll try to find wording to PR

  9. pep.

    « Consider a situation where a user sends a message that may be deemed inappropriate by a groupchat moderator. The groupchat service will append a Unique and Stable Stanza IDs (XEP-0359) [4] stanza ID to the message before relaying it to all participants. » Does this count as a MUC advertizing Message Moderation always providing stanza-id?

  10. Zash

    Sounds that way

  11. moparisthebest

    Has anyone considered running a public incoming TLS relay to enable people to run XMPP servers from behind CGNAT ? If there's any prior art I'd like to know about it

  12. moparisthebest

    Think "please give me a random subdomain and if XMPP connects on port 443 or 5222 or 5269 with that subdomain, pipe the bytes to me"

  13. singpolyma

    It's not xmpp specific, but at least one jmp customer is using hoppy network for this

  14. moparisthebest

    Ah haven't heard of that, I think cloudflare has a product like this

  15. singpolyma

    Oh yeah, at that level there are a couple dozen TCP tunneling things. Cloudflare indeed runs a free one

  16. moparisthebest

    It's nothing you can't easily set up now with some technical knowledge but I'm thinking something fully automated at the level of being able to bundle it with Snikket, and start hosting a server without knowing what DNS or port forwarding is

  17. moparisthebest

    I think you could reasonably restrict it to XMPP without MITM'ing TLS and so prevent abuse and maintain privacy

  18. MattJ

    moparisthebest: I've had a "host at home" plan on the roadmap for Snikket hosting for some time, sounds similar

  19. MattJ

    We also looked into it for Prosody years ago, but at the time it was a different story with TLS so much harder

  20. moparisthebest

    Yep, now once you assign the random subdomain you'll just automatically forward letsencrypt challenges to them and it all just works

  21. moparisthebest

    MattJ: did you have anything written down or any thoughts about it, and or a better chat to move this to, if not can use xmpp:xmpp-server-app@code.moparisthe.best?join