XSF Discussion - 2023-03-03

Is there any support for sending voice clips via XMPP? The only thing remotely relevant that I could find is XEP-0231, but even that is a bit of a stretch.

Yes, a number of apps support it. Mostly those on mobile (Conversations, Siskin, Monal [I think])

Movim as well :)

(will be released in the upcoming version)

XEP-0363 + XEP-0066 is the common method today

Same as for pictures or videos or whatever

Oh, nice, I totally missed that. Looks like my server is properly set up for it too.

I don't think Gajim or any other Linux client supports voice clips tho.

Having UI for it is up to each client, not the protocol.

Of course, happy to know that there's (kind of) protocol support.

Just so long as no one sends them to me I'm happy to have support for it 😅

Feed it trough a voice2text model thingy

Indeed, I do that for most of them already (jmp voicemail) but one contact keeps sending me voice memos and I've considered building a feature like that just for this person, heh

Sorry, no time to listen to your multiple minute voice mail, can you please send me a transcript?

mdosch did read https://www.der-postillon.com/2023/03/antworten-sprachnachricht.html?m=1 as well I see

😇

"Sorry, I didn't listen, can you send it again?"

> I don't think Gajim or any other Linux client supports voice clips tho. gajim has inline audio preview, but I don't think any UI for recording clips. ↺

wait let me join on pidgin to see if it works on it

nope doesnt work on pidgin :-/

Is that common for others, non xmpp desktop software today? It sure wasn't as I last used such software... ✏

> nope doesnt work on pidgin :-/ What does?

Sending and receiving speech snippets in a nice UI

Menel, I think pretty much all the big mainstream clients support voice clips. Signal, Telegram, WhatsApp all do.

i love custom emoticons

not custom like when you say ":-)" an image appears

how do you quote someone

mentos124 just the Name, you did successfully mention me. ✏

> how do you quote someone Quote, depends on the client.

This was the older method, some clients use something more advances, is it https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0461.html ? I'm not sure

i do know a bit of html and stuff but i cant quite understand that

Ypu don't need to, as long as you're not a dev

You quote by prefixing `>` In the line And movim supports that xep 461, and thats works more sophisticated. Other clients don't support that yet.

Some clients have buttons that do it automatically. Some don't.

I have to say, this filter ability by xep and other parameters is really awesome btw. https://xmpp.org/software/

UI things like a reply/quote button isn't something that would have a XEP, as that's mostly protocols

>What does?

I didn't know which client it was that did support 461, and it was easy to find with that

> I have to say, this filter ability by xep and other parameters is really awesome btw. https://xmpp.org/software/ :) glad it's useful!

https://sure.im:443/upload/2b7cf8f5-8d1d-4abd-99b9-c1567d64d182/7cxpn1.jpg

omg bruh the number of people that got disconnected lmao :|

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Just a small stat about what is currently discussed on the ML

https://upload.movim.eu/files/9d94237298995552fa13436420195fbca436dce7/EpnPoI2l9X6u/image.png

This is my current mov.im presences statistics, we see have only a few clients that are taking a big part of the usage stats

(stats are available there https://mov.im/?infos) ✏

Makes sense. Thanks for sharing!

edhelas: that's people on the mov.im domain or people logged into the mov.im web client?

On the mov.im web client :)

My XMPP server is hosting movim.eu/jappix.com, I don't have stats for those

Oh it's the contacts of the people who are logged in?

Yes, their roster presences caps :)

Including self presence?

Yup

Also the people logued on Movim are already kinda "specials" so you should take those statistics not that seriously, but the order or magnitude are there.

And you should remove the Gateway such as cheogram/Slidge ...

Cheogram on that list should be the Cheogram Android client, I think

Ah indeed,

I looked at the xmpp website and there doesnt seem to be a guide on how to create a client or how to go about implementing stuff. What i mean is that: Compliance suites are under about. Modernxmpp is nowhere to be found. What would be better is to: You click the get started button on the front page and it has a section about dev and a section about user. Or a menu maybe. Since the page is going to get long? The dev section can say here is the compliance suite and modernxmpp. And for xeps supported you can check the software section. And say *please* contribute to existing projects xeps/improvements they are missing instead of reinventing the will.

I answer that exact question on masto half an hour ago

MSavoritias (fae,ve): good idea. I'll try to come up with something

MattJ had those "XMPP for users" and "XMPP for developers" pamphlets...