XSF Discussion - 2023-03-07

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tmolitor 03:01:23
Peter Waher: your bot is contantly sending messages containing just "X" and occasionally some real sentence...
tmolitor 03:01:38
I had to block the jid to stop it from doing so :D
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Guus 11:03:51
Is there anyone that has an EXI-capable XMPP client available for testing? I've found ancient code that supposedly adds EXI capabilities to Openfire, and am interested to see if it in any way, shape or form is functional. So far: it compiles. it doesn't crash Openfire. I'm tempted to ship it. :)
Guus 11:04:21
Peter Waher - ^ ?
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Peter Waher 12:31:11
tmolitor: Logic of the bot is as follows: For every chat message it receives, it first sends a Unicode hour glass character in a chat message (with a given message id), this would be the X you’re seeing, and then a second chat message (when response from OpenAI is available), with a replace statement to replace the first message. If you would enable the bot again, I could go into it and see what it reacts to. Might it be that your clients sends some kind of chat message (albeit perhaps with some status info) to it?
Zash 12:31:44
chat states maybe?
Peter Waher 12:31:51
Guus: There should be an open implementation available made for Smack, if I’m not mistaken.
MattJ 12:32:17
Peter Waher, make sure it ignores messages without a <body> and ignores messages with type=error
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Guus 12:43:06
Peter Waher: do you have pointers? I've found an old project by Javier Placencio, but that's more a set of unit tests that uses Smack, as an actual Smack implementation, I think.
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Peter Waher 12:51:26
Zash: After reviewing the code I see that would be the expected behaviour if chat messages are received containing only XML, and no plain text body.
Peter Waher 12:52:28
tmolitor: I’ve updated the bots, so they don’t react to chat messages with empty bodies (containing only XML). Please let me know if they continue to spam you.
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Peter Waher 12:55:42
Guus: We worked with Javier Placencio with this, but it was approx. 10 years ago I believe. I don’t retain any of that work however (it was done in another compnay). If you’re interested to retake this effort, we could publish new libraries supporting EXI, but it would be with a new type of binding (UDP/DTLS binding) instead of a traditional socket. Would that be of interest? (BTW: Such a binding would greatly increase scalability of the broker, even small modest ones, as socket connections would no longer be necessary to maintain connectivity with clients.)
Guus 12:58:03
Peter Waher: I believe that I've found Javier's Openfire stuff. My first goal was to see if there's low-hanging fruit that can be merged into a public Openfire plugin. Before I start chasing down source code pedigree, I wanted to see if that code (indeed, old) is still somewhat functional. I have no express or immediate interest in EXI, other than 'hey it would be cool if we could add that'.
singpolyma 12:58:24
Peter Waher: bot seems to just ignore me. Does it require presence?
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Peter Waher 12:59:45
singpolyma: yes. It only responds to chat messages from items in the roster that have a presence subscription to the bot. The bot itself will not request a presence subscription back.
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singpolyma 13:00:07
Oh, weird, ok. I'll add it I guess
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singpolyma 13:02:57
Peter Waher: would be neat it the image bots included oob so clients would render the image inline
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flow 13:04:46
oh kewl, daniel's exificient library is still alive: https://github.com/EXIficient/exificient/commits/master
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flow 13:05:15
even though not much development in the recent years, but that's probably because it's feature complete and bug free :)
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Peter Waher 13:26:34
singpolyma: I agree. But images are typically larger than the maximum(minimum(stanza size))… It would be good if there existed a mechanism to evaluate the permitted stanza size along a route in the federated network…. If that were the case, the bot could evaluate if embedding the image could be done or not.
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Peter Waher 13:26:53
(or is it the minimum(maximum(stanza size))…)
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MattJ 13:27:00
No, OOB doesn't transfer inline
MattJ 13:27:07
Hence "out" of band
MattJ 13:27:19
The image would be fetched over HTTP
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Peter Waher 13:27:35
but it is already provided via HTTP URL
Zash 13:27:49
But not with the "this is an attachment" OOB marker?
MattJ 13:27:50
Right, but it sounds like you're just sending a URL in the body
singpolyma 13:27:52
But not in a way that clients can detect is an attachment
Peter Waher 13:27:54
~~hyou mean socks5?~~ ✎
Peter Waher 13:28:02
you mean socks5? ✏
MattJ 13:28:05
https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0066.html#x-oob
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MattJ 13:28:27
For compatibility with some clients, the <body> should be just the URL too
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MattJ 13:28:53
See also https://docs.modernxmpp.org/client/protocol/#communicating-the-url
Peter Waher 13:28:58
ah, thanks for the pointer; will review this
Menel 13:30:23
Peter Waher: it is the same that http-upload in clients does.
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singpolyma 13:31:35
usually does
Peter Waher 13:31:50
Menel: Similar, not the same, as the bot runs in the broker itself, albeit with its own JID. So it can publish the image internally without going through the upload process.
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Alex 13:40:26
A reminder that we have our member meeting for Q1 application this Thursday at 19:00 UTC. When you are a member and have not voted yet then please do so. Memberbot will stay online until our meeting starts. Thanks
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Peter Waher 13:42:25
The DALL-E bots are now updated to support OOB markers in responses.
singpolyma 13:44:10
Hmm, shows as a blank message so me now. I bet I'm not supporting edits that add an oob tag in some way
Ge0rG 13:44:23
we've got some quality candidates there!
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tmolitor 20:51:26
Peter Waher: now it doesn't spam me anymore :)
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tmolitor 20:51:37
but sometimes I get a message saying "Object reference not set to an instance of an object."
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tmolitor 20:57:21
Peter Waher: it seems this message is a reaction to typing chat states...
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Peter Waher 21:23:13
tmolitor: Thanks for the info. I will review event logs to see what I can find.
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Peter Waher 22:16:22
tmolitor: I’ve now updated the bot. When going through the events logged, I noticed an issue that might relate with what was reported earlier also: A black image from a DALL-E response. Did you experience something similar? Do you still get the error message?
tmolitor 22:16:53
I did not test dall-e...
tmolitor 22:18:04
Peter Waher: now chatgpt seems to be dead...
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singpolyma 22:21:35
Peter Waher: I think it would be neat/more natural to use typing indicator + message send rather than the hourglass + edit
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Peter Waher 22:25:04
when you say typing indicator, do you mean composing & chat states?
Peter Waher 22:26:13
I’ll review tomorrow. Thanks all for input.
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Menel 22:31:54
Yes https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0085.html#statechart Most clients can show it
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