XSF Discussion - 2023-03-10


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  181. Trung

    As the new guy, my gratitue goes to the people who have voted for letting me “officially” be part of the XMPP community. To the people who voted agaisnt me: 😊 With this title, hopefully I will have a better chance of spreading this interesting sounding protocol in my nation. No promise.

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  189. Trung

    oh and special thanks to Alex who help me out on setting up that wiki page!

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  192. neox

    Trung: feel.welcomed 😊

  193. neox

    Trung: feel wellcomed 😊

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  204. MSavoritias (fae,ve)

    welcome :D

  205. neox

    Trung: feel welcomed 😊

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  399. Hugo

    Gajim can play mp3, but not wav. And Monal can play wav, but not mp3. I guess neither has a bug really, but voice clips are not close to being feasible :c

  400. Zash

    Interoperability \o/

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  405. Guus

    We must invent a new media format to replace them all. <insert appropriate XKCD link here>

  406. Peter Waher

    That’s why you have multi-format audio, video and img tags in HTML5 by comparison, to allow the recipient to choose the format they support (best). cf. our earlier discussion about sending messages containing multiple formats, allowing the recipient to choose the format they best support. Also: We should assume formats and support for formats evolve and change over time. So, instead of fixing a specific format, a loosely coupled abstraction layer would be nice.

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  410. Zash

    We might have some codec recommendations in the context of Jingle somewhere, dunno if those are considered for OOB'd audio clips

  411. Zash

    Is .wav even compressed?

  412. L29Ah

    there is compressed .wav but you'd better consider it's not

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  417. Zash

    https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0266.html

  418. L29Ah

    no AAC :O

  419. L29Ah

    ah it's for voice

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  421. Zash

    > Version 1.1rc1 (2013-03-01) release candidate? for a decade?

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  429. singpolyma

    > We must invent a new media format to replace them all. <insert appropriate XKCD link here> Already done, it's called opus

  430. jonas’

    opus? for video? :>

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  432. Zash

    ITYM ogg?

  433. jonas’

    ogg is a container

  434. MattJ

    I think you meant MP4

  435. singpolyma

    jonas’: the context was audio clips. But opus is used for the audio track of webm video yes

  436. MattJ

    Nerd sniping is so easy here

  437. singpolyma

    Video or much closer to universal than it used to be, but opus for audio has better adoption than any single video codec

  438. singpolyma

    Video is much closer to universal than it used to be, but opus for audio has better adoption than any single video codec

  439. Kev

    So we're talking about Vorbis, right?

  440. singpolyma

    lol, I don't think anyone is ever talking about vorbis

  441. Zash

    You're talking about Vorbis right now! :D

  442. Kev

    Quick, no-one think about a pink elephant.

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  445. Guus

    ah, reading up on Vorbis made me aware that it has a relation to XMPP through Jack Moffitt

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  454. Kev

    Indeed :)

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  457. Guus

    TIL. Got to keep up for that eventual title of TriviaL Pursuit Conquering Hero Extraordinaire

  458. Guus

    (If learning about a decade old fact qualifies as 'keeping up')

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  517. moparisthebest

    Opus is a good choice for voice, but mp3 is free now and ok, wav... That's just a huge waste of bandwidth for no reason

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  524. singpolyma

    Voice, music (if lossy is ok), anything. That's why it's so popular

  525. moparisthebest

    And if you don't want lossy then flac

  526. singpolyma

    Yup

  527. Zash

    I hear you can put mp3 into wav. Where is your glob now?

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  531. wurstsalat

    > Gajim can play mp3, but not wav. And Monal can play wav, but not mp3. I guess neither has a bug really, but voice clips are not close to being feasible :c it can play wav as well. mime type guessing is a bit awkward though sometimes

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