XSF Discussion - 2023-03-10

As the new guy, my gratitue goes to the people who have voted for letting me “officially” be part of the XMPP community. To the people who voted agaisnt me: 😊 With this title, hopefully I will have a better chance of spreading this interesting sounding protocol in my nation. No promise.

oh and special thanks to Alex who help me out on setting up that wiki page!

Trung: feel wellcomed 😊 ✏

welcome :D

Trung: feel welcomed 😊 ✏

Gajim can play mp3, but not wav. And Monal can play wav, but not mp3. I guess neither has a bug really, but voice clips are not close to being feasible :c

Interoperability \o/

We must invent a new media format to replace them all. <insert appropriate XKCD link here>

That’s why you have multi-format audio, video and img tags in HTML5 by comparison, to allow the recipient to choose the format they support (best). cf. our earlier discussion about sending messages containing multiple formats, allowing the recipient to choose the format they best support. Also: We should assume formats and support for formats evolve and change over time. So, instead of fixing a specific format, a loosely coupled abstraction layer would be nice.

We might have some codec recommendations in the context of Jingle somewhere, dunno if those are considered for OOB'd audio clips

Is .wav even compressed?

there is compressed .wav but you'd better consider it's not

https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0266.html

no AAC :O

ah it's for voice

> Version 1.1rc1 (2013-03-01) release candidate? for a decade?

> We must invent a new media format to replace them all. <insert appropriate XKCD link here> Already done, it's called opus ↺

opus? for video? :>

ITYM ogg?

ogg is a container

I think you meant MP4

jonas’: the context was audio clips. But opus is used for the audio track of webm video yes

Nerd sniping is so easy here

Video is much closer to universal than it used to be, but opus for audio has better adoption than any single video codec ✏

So we're talking about Vorbis, right?

lol, I don't think anyone is ever talking about vorbis

You're talking about Vorbis right now! :D

Quick, no-one think about a pink elephant.

ah, reading up on Vorbis made me aware that it has a relation to XMPP through Jack Moffitt

Indeed :)

TIL. Got to keep up for that eventual title of TriviaL Pursuit Conquering Hero Extraordinaire

(If learning about a decade old fact qualifies as 'keeping up')

Opus is a good choice for voice, but mp3 is free now and ok, wav... That's just a huge waste of bandwidth for no reason

Voice, music (if lossy is ok), anything. That's why it's so popular

And if you don't want lossy then flac

Yup

I hear you can put mp3 into wav. Where is your glob now?

> Gajim can play mp3, but not wav. And Monal can play wav, but not mp3. I guess neither has a bug really, but voice clips are not close to being feasible :c it can play wav as well. mime type guessing is a bit awkward though sometimes