XSF Discussion - 2023-03-27


  1. Arne

    Besides this could be interesting : https://sovereigntechfund.de/en/applications/

  2. Arne

    > Selection criteria >... open implementations of communication protocols ...

  3. Arne

    > Selection criteria > ... open implementations of communication protocols ...

  4. emus

    Arne: thx, will investigate

  5. emus

    Dear members, today I got to know of the Sovereign Tech Fund of the German Federal Ministry for Economic Affairs and Climate Action. I think this is a very valuable fund and can really support XMPP on a holistic basis and I would strong advocate to apply for it. Below I will call for your input. https://sovereigntechfund.de/en/applications/ What is it about? > The Sovereign Tech Fund invests in the development, improvement and maintenance of open digital base technologies worldwide. Applications can be submitted on an ongoing basis. > The Sovereign Tech Fund invests in open digital base technologies that are vital to the development of other software or enable digital networking. We invest in projects that benefit and strengthen the open source ecosystem. Examples include libraries for programming languages, package managers, open implementations of communication protocols, administration tools for developers, digital encryption technologies, and more. > The activities listed in the application must be related to developing or maintaining open digital base technologies. Development is our primary focus, although security audits, conference attendance, and other community-based events can be included in the application should they be necessary. I think this very much suits XMPP as a protocol. Within this context I would like to call for your ideas what we can fund with it (150.000 EUR minimum). As said it can be about writing XEPs, but also conferences, infrastructure, events and participation of conferences. Highly worth to give this a try. So, what can you think of? https://pad.nixnet.services/K-DVXLFUSxaF4liewf0Smw Cheers

  6. moparisthebest

    $150k pays for a lot of XEPs

  7. moparisthebest

    Infinity XEPs if my math based on cost per XEP up to now is correct

  8. L29Ah

    how many XEPs do we need to take over the world?

  9. emus

    that money is quickly spent, believe me 🙂 I would also apply for rather 500.000 EUR

  10. emus

    its not only about xep

  11. Seve

    Curious to see how the application looks like, if you need a well defined plan on how to spend it, etc.. But sounds great!

  12. emus

    To create such a plan please put all your wet dreams into the pad

  13. emus

    if we really require it

  14. Seve

    Extended a bit, will keep adding more as I get to think about it 🙂

  15. emus

    perfect!

  16. Arne

    I think the chances are high for the XSF

  17. moparisthebest

    Without drastically expanding what the XSF does in ways that have been proposed and rejected before I can't think of a single thing (or multiple things) we could use anywhere near that much money for, but looking forward to reading suggestions from others :)

  18. L29Ah

    put all the wet dreams into gpt4 for it to produce the grant application

  19. L29Ah

    we could expand XSF to include a reference implementation for XMPP IM, that seems like a de facto way to produce protocols these days, no? ;)

  20. emus

    sending one dev to a conference can cost 6000€

  21. emus

    L29Ah - if you think its meaningful put it on the lsit

  22. L29Ah

    how many XEPs does a dev at a conference produce?

  23. emus

    3.14

  24. moparisthebest

    > we could expand XSF to include a reference implementation for XMPP IM, that seems like a de facto way to produce protocols these days, no? ;) That's been proposed before, I think literally everyone was against it, for example

  25. Zash

    How many XEPs would a dev dev if devs dev'd XEPs?

  26. moparisthebest

    (imagine picking one reference implementation without pissing off a substantial % of XSF members)

  27. L29Ah

    yeah i expected this

  28. L29Ah

    maybe a libxmpp then?

  29. moparisthebest

    In rust right?

  30. L29Ah

    oh right

  31. moparisthebest

    But then all the other lang devs will be sad

  32. emus

    > moparisthebest: > 2023-03-27 10:34 (GMT+02:00) > (imagine picking one reference implementation without pissing off a substantial % of XSF members) proposing is different that deciding

  33. L29Ah proposes Haskell with a C compatibility API

  34. emus

    just do it. also think if what xeps we need to rivse and a significant amount of people will support it

  35. Zash

    mod_rest?

  36. Arne

    emus: I could help writing a good text for the application. I would suggest adding all ideas together and the current state with all it's possibilities. Also mentioning where and for what it is and can be used. This > (imagine picking one reference implementation without pissing off a substantial % of XSF members) would be avoided then

  37. emus

    Arne: thanks