XSF Discussion - 2023-04-02

* a MUC-to-Matrix bridge

It seems with all their proposals they are frantically trying to rearchitecture matrix to make it suitable for actually being able to be decentralized and to be acceptable for standardization. It will be interesting what MIMI will decide. Up until now it seems that mimi wants to go with its own solution.

What is MIMI? I see it mentioned often

Is this MIMI https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-ralston-mimi-matrix-message-format-00.html?

It's an IETF working group

Alastair Hogge, https://datatracker.ietf.org/wg/mimi/about/

Zash: ta very much

Minor question: Should my application for 2023 go into "reappliers" or "applicants" on the wiki page, as I do not currently have an XSF membership?

yes

applicants

fwiw it’s true on the matrix side that we’re trying to find a way to do both decentralised rooms and hub-and-spoke models and interop them, for folks who don’t care about decentralisation

ideally we wouldn’t have to, but pragmatism ftw

i guess it’s not dissimilar to FMUC + MUC in xmpp.

and meanwhile yes, we’re trying to avoid mimi coming up with yet another standard by converging it with matrix & vice versa

a bit like xmpp could have when matrix first appeared, but didn’t.

matrix could just have converged with xmpp, since that was already there?

yup, and xmpp could have converged with IRC, etc.

the NIH will always be strong, in some cases more warranted than others.

Thanks for keeping us posted Matthew

and here I'm looking at my logs and wondering why it looks like we've switched to polling instead of long-lived connections

now excuse me while I go figure out what's up with my "REST"ish JSON API module

converging to an unescaped, \n-separated protocol? no way!

Isn't it IRC converging towards having both MAM and being JSON-based?

is it? i don't recall any actual movement towards json in irc; ircv3 isn't json

IRCv3 was full of JSON last I looked ✏

https://github.com/ircv3/ircv3-ideas/issues/69

> a bit like xmpp could have when matrix first appeared, but didn’t. you mean xmpp could have converged with matrix? ↺

https://github.com/ircdocs/modern-irc/issues/75 there even was an IRC federation, huh

"federation" (global unautenticated cluster) or actual federation?

the former

I almost envy you, the fun of learning about Eris and how EFNet got its name

> you mean xmpp could have converged with matrix? ah wait. you meant xmpp extending for matrix. I wonder why it didn't happen and if it would happen now. Aside from political reasons obviously ↺