XSF Discussion - 2023-04-02

  1. millesimus

    * a MUC-to-Matrix bridge

  2. MSavoritias (fae,ve)

    It seems with all their proposals they are frantically trying to rearchitecture matrix to make it suitable for actually being able to be decentralized and to be acceptable for standardization. It will be interesting what MIMI will decide. Up until now it seems that mimi wants to go with its own solution.

  3. Alastair Hogge

    What is MIMI? I see it mentioned often

  4. Alastair Hogge

    Is this MIMI https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-ralston-mimi-matrix-message-format-00.html?

  5. Zash

    It's an IETF working group

  6. Zash

    Alastair Hogge, https://datatracker.ietf.org/wg/mimi/about/

  7. Alastair Hogge

    Zash: ta very much

  8. mathieui

    Minor question: Should my application for 2023 go into "reappliers" or "applicants" on the wiki page, as I do not currently have an XSF membership?

  9. Zash


  10. jonas’


  11. Matthew

    fwiw it’s true on the matrix side that we’re trying to find a way to do both decentralised rooms and hub-and-spoke models and interop them, for folks who don’t care about decentralisation

  12. Matthew

    ideally we wouldn’t have to, but pragmatism ftw

  13. Matthew

    i guess it’s not dissimilar to FMUC + MUC in xmpp.

  14. Matthew

    and meanwhile yes, we’re trying to avoid mimi coming up with yet another standard by converging it with matrix & vice versa

  15. Matthew

    a bit like xmpp could have when matrix first appeared, but didn’t.

  16. jonas’

    matrix could just have converged with xmpp, since that was already there?

  17. Matthew

    yup, and xmpp could have converged with IRC, etc.

  18. jonas’

    the NIH will always be strong, in some cases more warranted than others.

  19. nicomuc

    Thanks for keeping us posted Matthew

  20. Zash

    and here I'm looking at my logs and wondering why it looks like we've switched to polling instead of long-lived connections

  21. Zash

    now excuse me while I go figure out what's up with my "REST"ish JSON API module

  22. L29Ah

    converging to an unescaped, \n-separated protocol? no way!

  23. Zash

    Isn't it IRC converging towards having both MAM and being JSON-based?

  24. L29Ah

    is it? i don't recall any actual movement towards json in irc; ircv3 isn't json

  25. Zash

    IRCv3 is full of JSON last I looked

  26. Zash

    IRCv3 was full of JSON last I looked

  27. L29Ah


  28. MSavoritias (fae,ve)

    > a bit like xmpp could have when matrix first appeared, but didn’t. you mean xmpp could have converged with matrix?

  29. L29Ah

    https://github.com/ircdocs/modern-irc/issues/75 there even was an IRC federation, huh

  30. Zash

    "federation" (global unautenticated cluster) or actual federation?

  31. L29Ah

    the former

  32. Zash

    I almost envy you, the fun of learning about Eris and how EFNet got its name

  33. MSavoritias (fae,ve)

    > you mean xmpp could have converged with matrix? ah wait. you meant xmpp extending for matrix. I wonder why it didn't happen and if it would happen now. Aside from political reasons obviously