OK, I thought so but I wonder if there was tribal knowledge about it that I should be aware of :). FWIW I'm asking because gajim parses neither the status nor the <idle> when ptype=unavailable, or at least it does not display it in the UI.✎
nicoco
OK, I thought so but I wondered if there was tribal knowledge about it that I should be aware of :). FWIW I'm asking because gajim parses neither the status nor the <idle> when ptype=unavailable, or at least it does not display it in the UI. ✏
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lovetox
does the server store extended infos in an unavailable presence?
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I don't know about current implementations, for example Prosody does not (though probably there is a plugin...). I know that in the past some servers definitely did.
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It was possible to sign off with a status like "on vacation", and your contacts would see it while you were offline
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With the shift to everyone being online all of the time, that became relatively uncommon of course
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mjk
splitting '478 hairs here... what if a server advertizes max-bytes < 10000? assume max-bytes == 10000? ignore it? </stream>? dos the server until it's fixed?
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Zash
Undefined Behavior, here be dragons, dunno
pep.
Why would 10000 be a special value when the server can advertize its maximum?
Zash
I suppose it would be best to respect that.
Zash
Like, what are you supposed to do if max-bytes = 1
mjk
pep.: the RFC says so 🤷
pep.
mjk, extensions do many things that aren't in the RFC :)
Zash
XEPs can override what the RFC says, so eh.
mjk
> XEPs can override what the RFC says, so eh.
what a blasphemt✎
Zash
Doing so without some kind of negotiation is meh tho
mjk
> XEPs can override what the RFC says, so eh.
what a blasphemy ✏
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And this is advertising, rather than negotiation, if there's such a distinction
mjk
right
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Zash
What are the options anyway? Ignore, get </stream>, vs respect and maybe not work right?
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Zash
Best to respect the RFC when it says
> A _deployed_ server's maximum stanza size MUST NOT be smaller than 10000 bytes
pep.
Why would a server advertize 1 anyway? What would that achieve apart from not being able to communicate
Zash
Because silly admin configures it that way?
pep.
Yeah and they'll realize sooner or later that their users can't use the service
pep.
I'd rather have it fail explicitely this way than ignore the issue and let the admin believe their config is alright
Zash
Does the XEP need to forbid such configuration/deployment?
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Zash
I don't remember any text explicitly saying that you're free to advertise max-bytes <10k, the RFC says don't put the limit there, so one could argue that that shouldn't happen.
pep.
I guess you can SHOULD/RECOMMEND a minimum value (same as the RFC?) But if there's a way for servers to advertize their max limit I'd vote for respecting it