XSF Discussion - 2023-06-24

https://ploum.net/2023-06-23-how-to-kill-decentralised-networks.html

Why didn't anyone inform me that XMPP was dead?? ;)

wait XMPP is dead?

And that it was Facebook that killed it???

What is dead may never die!

this is after-life

We're all dead but we don't know yet 👻

> this is after-life Ok that makes sense, obviously XMPP would be used in heaven ↺

> Ok that makes sense, obviously XMPP would be used in heaven And because there is no pain in heaven, nobody notices how sharp the angle brackets are :) ↺

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actually, as its about the methodogly of killing a network its good for the newsletter right?

yes it's definitely a fit for the newsletter IMHO

we can also add matts comment

FWIW my comment wasn't a comment on the blog post, I hadn't even read it

I started drafting in my head days before the post was published, so it was just unfortunate timing

which comment are you talking about? I've missed that

Referring to https://floss.social/@mattj/110595483224579575 I believe?

I've missed this one indeed, reading it now, thanks!

> MattJ: > 2023-06-24 04:06 (GMT+02:00) > I started drafting in my head days before the post was published, so it was just unfortunate timing ah ok

MattJ: maybe put it into a blogpost :-)

So have we now been murdered by Google or not?? I'm confused

vanitasvitae: yes, both :-)

> So have we now been murdered by Google or not?? I'm confused vanitasvitae: Thanks. You made my day. 😃 ↺

looks like that we are now a Schrödinger's chat

😀

emus [15:29]: > MattJ: maybe put it into a blogpost :-) It started as a blog post, but the blog post grew to several pages long and it still wasn't finished 😅

But it covers more stuff, so I'll probably post it one day (as a whole, or split it up somehow)

Ok, take your time

Does anyone else get the feeling that these "Google killed XMPP" posts are subtly altering history?

I think it's history remembered with a today-coloured lens

If anything, AOL killed XMPP in that story ;)

Feels bad to read about XMPP in the past tense :(

But you see the same with "smartphones killed XMPP" posts

Or "too many xeps killed xmpp" posts. Etc

> Nice new features were not implemented or not used in XMPP clients because they were not compatible with Google Talk (avatars took an awful long time to come to XMPP). Don't vcard-temp predate GTalk by years?

Yeah, I'm pretty sure I had an avatar in psi in 2004

And a bunch of other posts on the fedirverse talk like it was Facebook turning off their federation(?!) that killed XMPP?

... but they never had federation

Haha. Yes, lots of people grossly misremember the "Facebook XMPP" thing

As if it ever existed

Oh it did, but it was c2s only.

If it had actually existed I bet Google talk would still be with us

Their federation was over email, but I don't think I ever heard anyone ever mention that

Since Google users talking to Facebook users is a motivating reason to keep it on

Facebook killed email! EEE

> Oh it did, but it was c2s only. And was only a partial bridge. It never worked well or supported all features. Was basically a demo ✏ ↺

Just the chat feature, like GTalk. I had it in my N900 IIRC.

The basics of the chat feature. GTalk it was everything they supported (chat, formatting, voice and video) because there wasn't a second protocol in behind it was proxying to

I used it also, but it was never as nice as gtalk. And of course no s2s so not really relevant to that discussion anyway

Right

WhatApp did?

Dang XMPP, it killed XMPP!!