XSF Discussion - 2023-07-18

Hi! Some news from Matrix: https://matrix.org/blog/2023/07/a-giant-leap-with-mls/

Oh, the news is that MLS has been published as an RFC?

Waiting for Someone™ to write up the XEP then! :)

Last I looked matrix "implemented" it but with 2 changes, making it inoperable with anything else doing MLS, making it useless

Wonder if that's been resolved or not

wut. i wonder if it is still true in context of mimi

will MLS replace OMEMO?

Time will tell

we dont even implement latest omemo so 🤷

give it a decade or two

I'm guessing at most OMEMO v3 will be based on MLS but yea who knows

OMEMLOS

pain

Such is the life of an XMPP developer

Gotta have something to make life interesting now that we've gotten away from the 5 different incompatible JingleFT versions! :D

I have 0 expectations of any of these silos trying to actually interop with open networks in good faith

what id they are required to do it by law?

EEE?

EU is trying that, let's see how it plays out :)

Part of what's holding back omemo v2 is lack of crypto libraries. If MLS becomes a thing a hypothetical omemo v3 based on MLS could be easier to implement

AIUI there are already MLS libraries.

I assume another part of what's holding back omemo v2 or anything is lack of user-visible benefit, tho if there's a big "you can't use reactions and OMEMO at the same time" warning that could change

EU might force them to interoperate after all, but I'm sure they'll do it in the worst way possible, they can afford to burn millions of engineer hours making a terrible system work, we can't

watch this apple: "hey guys we support XMPP now" users: "really? your server doesn't really work with any client" apple: "yes really! we support RFC 6120!! uhh but for everything else we made our own extensions which can be found at apple.com/opensource/blah/blah :)))"

Still waiting for the FaceTime protocol to be published...

🙁

also the DMA says nothing about Free Software, if i remember correctly

Software freedom is orthogonal to Open protocols

fair enough

IMO having open protocols is more important, as then you at least have the posibilty of writing free software implementing it

that's true

if Apple has a proprietary XMPP server, but it still adheres to XMPP, I could at least use a Free client

Unaware of iChat being XMPP?

didn't iMessage drop XMPP support a while ago?

I don't know, I don't follow Apple

I have to loosely follow apple because my sister uses an iPhone :(

"Throw out XMPP from the chat system" "Goes back as the push notification system"

https://upload.movim.eu/files/9d94237298995552fa13436420195fbca436dce7/QmJQRl0eW6Je/image.png.jpg

image.png.jpg o.O

it has twice the picture!!

Yes, I like confusing other clients

Don't Trust The Extension

client trolling, very cool

you'd also be trolling servers because some servers try to determine the file type

it's actually a webp image?