XSF Discussion - 2023-08-03


  1. emus

    MattJ, ralphm: I just landed at the airport but I should be able to participate

  2. MattJ

    👍

  3. arc

    Here

  4. MattJ

    Here

  5. stpeter

    Here, too.

  6. ralphm bangs gavel

  7. ralphm

    0. Welcome

  8. ralphm

    Hi all!

  9. arc

    Hi ralpd

  10. ralphm

    Any additional items for the agenda?

  11. MattJ

    None here

  12. arc

    None here

  13. ralphm

    Ok.

  14. ralphm

    1. Last Call for XEP-0458 (Community Code of Conduct)

  15. ralphm

    So, this has been there for a while, and there's been a request to move this forward. Last I remember, there was feedback to be processed.

  16. ralphm

    stpeter: you mentioned that you'd contact dwd on this?

  17. stpeter

    I exchanged a few emails about this with Dave Cridland. We could either (1) issue the Last Call and incorporate the previous feedback as part of the Last Call feedback or (2) incorporate the previous feedback and then issue the Last Call. I’m fine with (2) myself, but I’m curious what others think.

  18. stpeter

    Dave doesn’t have a lot of cycles apparently, but I offered to assist.

  19. ralphm

    I'd prefer 2, too.

  20. arc

    I think we should proceed with this because that will get more eyes on it and another version will come

  21. MattJ

    +1 for 2

  22. stpeter

    Dave thought that the previous feedback was along the lines of seeking clarification, not major concerns.

  23. stpeter

    (But I would need to go back and look at the list feedback.)

  24. stpeter

    @arc +1

  25. ralphm

    Do you have access to the previous mails on this?

  26. arc

    I have never been involved in a first draft COC which was not followed by second draft a few months later

  27. stpeter

    Yes, I keep all list emails locally.

  28. stpeter

    @arc :-)

  29. ralphm

    Good, good.

  30. stpeter

    OK, great. @ralphm would you like me to issue the Last Call in behalf of the Board / Editor Team, or would you like to send out a note?

  31. ralphm

    stpeter: I think you sending out after looking at the feedback makes sense.

  32. stpeter

    Will do.

  33. ralphm

    Great.

  34. ralphm

    Then I'll move to the returning business on the previous agenda.

  35. stpeter

    Yes.

  36. ralphm

    2. IETF MIMI WG / MLS / DMA

  37. ralphm

    Any news to report, here?

  38. stpeter

    Not that I know of. @mattj perhaps knows something?

  39. singpolyma

    I believe that MLS RFC is real since last meeting. Though this doesn't affect XSF action much

  40. emus

    i have something to report

  41. ralphm

    singpolyma: right. Thanks for that note.

  42. emus

    GSoC has accepted my application to the mentor summit in Oct 😃

  43. MattJ

    No news gere

  44. MattJ

    No news here

  45. emus

    ah sorry, wrong topic

  46. ralphm

    emus: good, but we're at IETF stuff

  47. emus

    🤐

  48. ralphm

    I know that there's an interim MIMI meeting being scheduled near the end of august.

  49. ralphm

    3. Infrastructure

  50. ralphm

    MattJ?

  51. ralphm

    stpeter or anyone from the floor on iteam?

  52. MattJ

    Sorry, yeeeah...

  53. MattJ

    No progress to report

  54. stpeter

    Jonathan Siegle has installed a cert for nginx

  55. stpeter

    Which would be used by the mailman3 server to display pages.

  56. ralphm

    Ok

  57. stpeter

    So that’s a bit of progress, but we need to take a few more steps to get everything in order.

  58. MattJ

    At this point I was thinking of putting out an email to the foundations list, to see if we can find some mailman expert who could put everything right and get us migrated

  59. emus

    Any way to support or call for support?

  60. MattJ

    As a short term engagement kind of thing

  61. ralphm

    MattJ good idea

  62. emus

    singpolyma: ?

  63. stpeter

    WFM

  64. MattJ

    I'll do that then

  65. ralphm

    Thanks MattJ

  66. ralphm

    4. AOB

  67. emus

    Thanks!

  68. emus

    Yes, as said the GSoC + the moxxy contributor has paased the midterm. Dino to be evalutated. On the Last Call: I am behind getting it to last call quickly. but will not vote here if I dont need to. Also who is driving this then now?

  69. ralphm

    I believe emus had a thing :-)

  70. emus

    yes :) ^

  71. stpeter

    I have a quick note about the finance update, too.

  72. ralphm

    emus: on the CoC, stpeter is reviewing the feedback and will then send out a last call

  73. stpeter

    (After @emus makes his point.)

  74. emus

    ok fine Im done with what I said

  75. emus

    Will ask if people have input as I more or less represent xmpp thereel

  76. emus

    Will ask if people have input as I more or less represent xmpp there

  77. ralphm

    emus wrote earlier: GSoC has accepted my application to the mentor summit in Oct 😃

  78. ralphm

    Thanks for the updates emus!

  79. emus

    yup

  80. ralphm

    stpeter: go ahead with your finance update

  81. stpeter

    Excellent.

  82. emus

    stpeter: go ahead

  83. stpeter

    In the last meeting, I mentioned that we thought that Google would not pay us for GSoC 2023 because we missed a deadline, but that turns out to have been wrong. So the good news is we will get paid this year and everything is on course for that.

  84. emus

    Yes!

  85. MattJ

    Phew!

  86. emus

    that be 1000$ right?

  87. ralphm

    That's great news!

  88. stpeter

    I think it’s more than that? I’m sorry that I don’t recall how much we get paid per student. $$

  89. arc

    It used to be $500 per student

  90. stpeter

    Yes.

  91. stpeter

    Anyway, more than zero. I’ll double-check on the amount.

  92. ralphm

    Still is

  93. stpeter

    Right, $500 per contributor for your organization according to https://developers.google.com/open-source/gsoc/help/org-payments

  94. arc

    By the way have we discussed getting involved in outreachy?

  95. ralphm

    Long time ago.

  96. ralphm

    I think we said we could, but someone would need to pick it up

  97. emus

    Happy to call for it on members list again

  98. arc

    There is murmuring that Google may discontinue gsoc and every organization should start looking to move

  99. emus

    thats a pity

  100. arc

    We could do both at the same time, the big difference is that with outreachy we have to find funding

  101. emus

    Good to move on with the sponsor topic again

  102. singpolyma

    How much funding is needed to participate in outreachy?

  103. ralphm

    Previous discussion two years ago where arc made the same comment: https://logs.xmpp.org/xsf/2021-02-05

  104. arc

    Google has reduced the size of the ospo by about half this year including laying off Chris and Cat, who were the two big drivers for gsoc

  105. stpeter

    nod

  106. arc

    We have to raise all of the funding for the students

  107. arc

    Of course that takes time and planning

  108. emus

    Maybe we should do our own programm right away

  109. singpolyma

    I believe there are some funds from outreachy sponsors who are not also mentors, but there's not guarantee there of course. I expect that I can find some funding if xmpp projects need it to take on outreachy interns and would benefit from this

  110. ralphm

    Sure, I understand the context. The Google changes are not looking good. I'll support our own program, but given the effort of doing GSoC, I hope whoever takes this on knows what they're getting into and follow through.

  111. arc

    Maty organizations do not do outreachy in the summer so they can spread volunteer mentor commitments over the year

  112. emus

    I just said it because if we need to organise our own sponsoring, why outreachy?

  113. singpolyma

    "our own" as in totally our own? There are several gsoc like things (such as outreachy) one can work with rather than an own thing

  114. stpeter

    Yes, working through another program sounds preferable.

  115. arc

    I agree that we should work with outreachy or a similar organization. We are too small to deal with the overhead of running a program like this on our own

  116. ralphm

    singpolyma: what I mean is whatever other thing we do, it will require more effort than GSoC

  117. singpolyma

    ralphm: sure, understood

  118. emus

    yes

  119. Zash

    Learning a new process and building new relationships with that org?

  120. singpolyma

    Does someone know the number needed per intern for outreachy?

  121. arc

    Raising funds is something we should not simply expect stpeter to do. We should all be shaking the money trees

  122. stpeter

    heh

  123. ralphm

    arc: I hope nobody was expecting that, indeed

  124. stpeter

    I know some folks at Mozilla who were involved with outreachy there and could ask them about their experience.

  125. arc

    Cisco, Intel, even Google

  126. arc

    I could contact Intel, one of the main offices it's about 20 miles from me so I have many contacts

  127. emus

    > arc: > 2023-08-03 07:33 (GMT+02:00) > Raising funds is something we should not simply expect stpeter to do. We should all be shaking the money trees sure not, I am happy to drive this but i have no experience and need some backup

  128. arc

    Outreachy is specifically appealing to American corporations because it focuses on women, racial minorities, and LGBT

  129. arc

    Diversity hiring is far less appealing in other parts of the world

  130. emus

    but no points speak against participation right?

  131. arc

    Absolutely

  132. stpeter

    OK, it sounds like outreachy (and others?) are worth investigating. Perhaps we could do some research and discuss again during the next meeting?

  133. stpeter

    Speaking of which, does Thursday, September 7 sound good?

  134. emus

    > stpeter: > 2023-08-03 07:38 (GMT+02:00) > OK, it sounds like outreachy (and others?) are worth investigating. Perhaps we could do some research and discuss again during the next meeting? Always fan to call members an community for input

  135. ralphm

    Indeed. I've seen arc and stpeter to reach out to their contacts and emus offering to lead the effort with help.

  136. emus

    of calling*

  137. arc

    A corporation based in Japan is just less likely to give. Many American IT companies have budget set aside to recruit women

  138. emus

    > ralphm: > 2023-08-03 07:39 (GMT+02:00) > Indeed. I've seen arc and stpeter to reach out to their contacts and emus offering to lead the effort with help. for sure

  139. emus

    > arc: > 2023-08-03 07:39 (GMT+02:00) > A corporation based in Japan is just less likely to give. Many American IT companies have budget set aside to recruit women I see

  140. ralphm

    Ok. Any other other business?

  141. MattJ

    7th September is good for me

  142. arc

    That also works for me

  143. emus

    > ralphm: > 2023-08-03 07:39 (GMT+02:00) > Ok. Any other other business? ✔️

  144. ralphm

    I see we've moved to: 5. Date of Next

  145. ralphm

    +1 on 7th September. Same bat time, same bat channel.

  146. ralphm

    6. Close

  147. ralphm

    Thanks all!

  148. ralphm bangs gavel

  149. stpeter

    Excellent, thanks all!

  150. MattJ

    Thanks!

  151. emus

    > MattJ: > 2023-08-03 07:39 (GMT+02:00) > 7th September is good for me not sure, but will say yes

  152. emus

    stpeter: wouldyou mind to put slonsoring and programms to reoccuring business?

  153. singpolyma

    I looked and it's: > All communities must find finding for at least one intern ($8,000 USD)

  154. Zash

    is 'finding' a word or a typo?

  155. singpolyma

    I cut and paste but looks like a typo. I didn't notice it

  156. stpeter

    I took some notes at https://wiki.xmpp.org/web/Board-Meeting-2023-08-03 and I’ve created https://wiki.xmpp.org/web/Board-Meeting-2023-09-07 for the next meeting.

  157. emus

    great

  158. emus

    > singpolyma: > 2023-08-03 07:42 (GMT+02:00) > I looked and it's: 🥲

  159. emus

    I think we call it for today, right?

  160. stpeter

    Oh, BTW, the XSF received a check in the mail for $145 from an organization called FrontStream that apparently distributes money from employer-sponsored donation programs through the “Panorama Global Fund”. It seemed kind of strange, but I can’t find any scam alerts about it so I might cash the check. :-)

  161. stpeter

    @emus Yes, Ralph ended the meeting.

  162. stpeter

    I have a discussion thread going in the ex-Mozilla Slack channel and will report on any interesting findings.

  163. stpeter

    Initial feedback regarding outreachy is not negative. :-) “Everything was great on the org side for us. It's not very polished, clearly runs on a shoestring budget and volunteer labor, but it got the job done.”

  164. emus

    > stpeter: > 2023-08-03 07:53 (GMT+02:00) > Oh, BTW, the XSF received a check in the mail for $145 from an organization called FrontStream that apparently distributes money from employer-sponsored donation programs through the “Panorama Global Fund”. It seemed kind of strange, but I can’t find any scam alerts about it so I might cash the check. :-) maybe arc can cross check

  165. stpeter

    More feedback on outreachy: “we saw a lot of very smart, very motivated candidates.”

  166. singpolyma

    As they say "we will work out the details" but the membership at MBOA (known to most here as JMP.chat) is on board to sponsor one intern with XSF if outreachy happens

  167. MattJ

    🎉 That's great to hear, thanks!!

  168. stpeter

    Yay!