XSF Discussion - 2023-08-07

Some interesting insights from an AI model:

"As of February 2023, there have been 51 approved XMPP Extension Protocols published by the XMPP Standards Foundation. These include both "core" protocols like XMPP Core and XMPP IM, as well as more specialized protocols like XEP-0280: Message Carbons and XEP-0308: Stream Management.

"According to Wikipedia [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_XMPP_software], there were approximately 2,500 registered XML namespaces at the end of 2021. However this number may be outdated since new XEPs can still get standardized after publication date.

"The exact membership numbers change frequently but according to https://www.xmppsf.org/about/members/ there was around ~200 member companies when I last checked it sometime during late 2021 early 2022. The board consists mostly of volunteers who work full time elsewhere so its hard to estimate exactly how much effort goes into maintaining xep standards etc. But considering most other open source projects would kill for just one active maintainer let alone several dozen people working pro bono on something you don't use yourself every day then yeah probably quite a bit!

"All expenses incurred while participating in any official XSF activity must be borne solely by the participant themselves.

"It's difficult to say whether or not XMPP will ever truly 'take over the world', however it has become increasingly popular amongst developers due to its versatility and ability to integrate seamlessly with various platforms and services. As long as it continues to evolve and adapt to changing technologies, there is potential for it to play a significant role within specific industries or communities where interoperability and compatibility are key requirements."

Unfortunately you cannot trust those models to inform you of anything factual

They're good at creative stuff, e.g. in Brussels we successfully had it writing XEPs

But the XSF having "~200 member companies" is an example of a fact that is just made up :)

> in Brussels we successfully had it writing XEPs I think we may measure 'success' differently :)

"made up" is the wrong term

"Would it pass Council?" :D

But I suspect pretty much every fact in the above is nonsense.

*Elbe-Sprint Hamburg 2023: Post-Sprint Summary* https://xmpp.org/2023/08/elbe-sprint-hamburg-2023-post-sprint-summary/

the links it provides are fake too

but 2500 namespaces? maybe we should sort out the registry 😁

^

So roughly 5 namespaces per XEP? :)

provide pubsub as an example and then stay conveniently quiet

That's probably one of the busiest XEPs and I imagine it defines about 5 namespaces

et voila

i.e. 99% of the rest define fewer than 5

_...stay conveniently quiet_

We don't have this information in the data explorer currently (which *is* factual), but I'd estimate most define 1 or 0

or maybe "made up" ("generated"), is, in fact, the correct term, but it also holds for all the other stuff these models emit. some of it just (allegedly) happens to coincide with facts.

> maybe we should sort out the registry The registry does need sorting out, it's probably not *that* much work

they're sophisticated mimics, but they can only mimic they data they're fed

But also the data explorer does highlight various issues which I feel Council should be working on resolving

MattJ, is there a collated list of those?

theTedd, certainly. In as much as some <something> has ~200 <something>, and it happened to believe that those <something> were related to the XSF in some invisible way

Sorry, high latency here

There is a list at https://data.xmpp.net/explore/xmpp

For example, "unusual compliance requirements" or "deferred with implementations"

https://data.xmpp.net/explore/xmpp/deferred?

some SQL error

Oh, sorry, I can fix that

Can he fix it? Yes he can.

Classic: already fixed locally

Will be unavailable for a brief moment while restarting

https://data.xmpp.net/explore/xmpp/deferred (and a couple of others with broken queries) should work now

Ralph breaks the Internet, now starring Fix It Matthew

I have just started Memberbot for our Q3-2023 membership applications

Thanks as always, Alex.

Done with member voting ✔️

If anyone in EU needs some XMPP stickers let me know

Brexit withstanding?

depends the costs for a letter^^

I know Link Mauve is from the future, but XEP-0453 was last updated 2024-07-04 😄

(would require a CFE, so might be better to wait until the list archives are restored - soon™)

Anybody at CCCamp this year?

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