XSF Discussion - 2023-10-31

Hi

Ben, Hello

can you tell me what xsf is?

Why do you ask everywhere, instead if reading the corresponding websites that are always linked for the rooms?

no this room said XSF

https://xmpp.org/about/xmpp-standards-foundation/

and then i saw soprani.ca so i asked them what there group was

thank you

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/XMPP_Standards_Foundation

Ben, Are you new to XMPP/Jabber?

Yes

thank you menel and trung!

Then welcome to the center of it all :)

thank you root, it is a pleasure to be here:)

Ben: No problem 😁 welcome to XMPP

Thank you trung, it is nice to meet you!

if you need help with anything just ask. People are (generally) very friendly

yeah i have noticed, its better than talking to people in real life, everyone seems really nice

Oh, do you guys have a IM system like dino which you like better than the others?

Ben: you mean client? Which operating system are you using?

im using debian uh

something

We have this page: https://xmpp.org/software/

oh thats nice of you, i will look at it now zash

im using linux

according to my computer

`cat /etc/os-release` will tell you which debian you have, but basically all linux clients will work on any distro you have

oh thank you

the fine print is: which of those will be available as packages to you, and which versions

ah it tells me Debian GNU/Linux 11

debian bullseye; debian 14 (forky) is out now

uh, im wrongl, bookworm is out, so 12

Ah okay

forky is TBA lol

to be honest, i dont have a clue what you mean, as im only 13

and it seems i need to branch out my tech vocab

bullseye, bookworm, and forky are codenames for each release; think of it like microsoft windows having separate names for each of their releases

Oh

That makes way more sense

Thanks

yep nothing technical there :)

is there anything i should know about terminal?

it exists, and it's only slightly more intuitive than cmd.exe, and you'll probably know when you need to use it. usually you can bring up documentation about any program by using `man`, e.g. you can try `man man` to learn more about the manual system itself

but this is probably offtopic to talk much about in here

Okay

😁 well ... perhaps you might want to try a XMPP console (terminal) client

yeah, i probably should start learning more

if any of them worked decently, sure. i use profanity on my thinkpad but that's still a handful to deal with

hm

xmpp:angrytux@conference.trashserver.net?join Ben here's a general ... oh wait that's in german

okay

xmpp:linux@muc.loqi.im?join maybe :)

plus xmpp:debian@conference.debian.org?join for your distro in specific

okay thanks opal

you guys are really nice, tbh i was expecting a load of people who wouldnt help very much but you guys have contrdicted that ✏

xmpp network has more layers than a typical tor circuit

yeah i dont come here for help, im mostly here to look at what's being talked about for xmpp standardisation and to chime in when there's something interesting, but it definitely is one of the more chilled-out places to discuss things

ive been in foss for too long to count and its a grab-bag what you'll get out of any community

ah

hello

where is the mailing list for xmpp users? xmpp.org towards to 404..

s1: it is currently down. The mail server needs some work to get it back up and running.

root : since when?

Been a few months.

okay ; so where to ask for a question about xmpp?

the mailinglists themselves are up, but the web archives are not

s1, I think https://search.jabber.network/search?q=joinjabber may be good places to ask questions

https://mail.jabber.org/mailman/listinfo/juser 404

zash : it's xmpp, not email :)

I would imagine that you can still join by emailing mailto:juser-join@xmpp.org

I imagine you'll have better luck getting you questions answered in one of the MUCs tho

<juser-join@xmpp.org>: Recipient address rejected: User unknown in local recipient table

Or that one lemmy instance

Didn't that get shut down?

https://slrpnk.net/c/xmpp

s1, how important is it that the questions be asked over email?

I would definitely expect better responses from here, one of the joinjabber chats or anywhere but email.

TIL we have a users email list :/

moparisthebest, s/have/had/

And it wasn't all that active judging from https://web.archive.org/web/20211203095758/https://mail.jabber.org/pipermail/juser/

Oh good I feel better now :)

https://www.reddit.com/r/xmpp/comments/17j5h4a/ios_users_the_simplier_way_to_remotely_help/

We might want to consider to remove anything but standards and members

but a working forum would be very welcome, it's the same weight as a website for getting knowledge and exchange about a subject on the interet

s1: I think this type of question is suited for xmpp:suppoer@joinjabber.org?join but you can ask here too. Monal is the client to recommend for iOS users apparently, these days. 😊

And about simple first setup: snikket invite link is still the most simple way (also works with the invites modules on prosody)

Menel, there is a invite link for snikket? with account creation etc?

Yes, Snikket servers only support that kind of account creation

mattj : is it easy?

https://blog.prosody.im/great-invitations/ might be of interest

s1: easy is exactly what I made it for, because I wanted to be able to e.g. get my family to use XMPP without a lot of frustration