XSF Discussion - 2024-03-04


  1. Alex

    when you are an XSF member and have not voted yet on the current Q1-2024 elections then please take some time to cast your votes before we will hold our member meeting tomorrow. Thanks

  2. MattJ

    Done, thanks :)

  3. mathieui

    singpolyma: I received Alex's mail now, so things look good

  4. jonas’

    Alex, thanks for the reminder, done :)

  5. Zash

    Voted!

  6. Fishbowler

    Voted. Thanks for the nudge.

  7. dwd

    I voted too, thanks for the email reminder. Spurred me into putting an XMPP client on my stupid new laptop, finally, too!

  8. Link Mauve

    Voted too, sorry I was offline for quite some time recently.

  9. moparisthebest

    jonas’, Guus: good thing you built crawler things for XMPP instead of activitypub geez https://wedistribute.org/2024/03/contentnation-mastodons-toxicity/ might wanna be super careful of bugs in your bridge goffi

  10. Guus

    moparisthebest: I don't expect there to be a massively different percentage of jerks in any given community, to be honest. If it can happen in Mastodon, it can happen here. What XMPP has going for it is that there's a slightly more distinct separation between end-user appliance and protocol.

  11. moparisthebest

    And better documentation, hopefully 🤣

  12. moparisthebest

    What I honestly don't understand is why aren't they angry that Google does literally this exact thing: > Yesterday, Mastodon was abuzz regarding a strange new scraper that seemed to be pulling people’s profiles and content streams into a platform designed around monetization.

  13. pep.

    > Can we stop pretending that we're so welcoming? The subtitle of that article is so weird. That person most be thinking MastoPub is a single thing and not many different communities

  14. Daniel

    > Mastodon, and platforms designed to talk to it, have a dozen or so behaviors that are not actually in the spec at all: Webfinger, SharedInbox, Privacy Scopes, and Opt-Out for Search are just a few of them. > > Many of these things are almost completely undocumented, and can only be developed by lengthy conversations with people who already built those things. Even Mastodon’s own specs say very little. The embrace extend extinguish the 'Fediverse' is so worried about is coming from inside the house

  15. moparisthebest

    +1

  16. moparisthebest

    Further cementing my belief that a protocol isn't actually free unless the standards are *and* you have multiple healthy independent implementations, hard to get there I guess

  17. pep.

    > Can we stop pretending that we're so welcoming? The subtitle of that article is so weird. That person must be thinking MastoPub is a single thing and not many different communities

  18. goffi

    moparisthebest: Wow. It's not the first time I see or hear about Toxicity on ActivityPub, but this one got far. I haven't have experienced myself anything similar so far, probably because it's too niche at the moment, but I'm not sure how I would deal with that.

  19. goffi

    And that's true that you have to look everywhere to just start to be communicating with others. For HTTP Signature for instance, Mastodon is using a specific draft version, and I don't think that it's written anywhere. For Webfinger, the escaping specified is not respected, and I ended up to check Mastodon code to see which chars were supported (and without escaping, I had to find a ugly workaround to be able to translate XMPP JIDs).

  20. moparisthebest

    So you long for deferred XEPs 🤣

  21. Zash

    Did someone say https://xmpp.org/extensions/attic/xep-0384-0.3.0.html ?